iso14000-digest Friday, August 1 1997 Volume 02 : Number 008
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 10:27:12 EST
From: "David L. Turner"
Subject: language requirements
We have heard from some distributors of our products in
South American countries (and others there) that ISO 14001
has a language requirement for product documentation.
According to these individuals, 14001 says we must provide
instruction manuals, technical bulletins, etc. in the
"native language" in order to sell into the country. I
find nothing remotely like this in the 14001 document or
any other sources of information.
There are many reasons why this would be too restrictive
or difficult to do despite the reasonableness of wanting
documentation in a language one understands, but I do not
believe this is a requirement of 14001. It is interesting
that we heard the same thing from several, unrelated
sources however. I suspect that the desire for literature
one can read easily and the implementation of 14001 on the
horizon are getting mixed up. Any thoughts out there?
Thanks in advance.
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"This book has nothing but words in it!"
Will, my four year old, after looking at a dictionary
Regards,
David Turner
YSI Safety Coordinator
1725 Brannum Lane
Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387
Email: DTurner@YSI.com
Phone 1-937-767-1685 ext. 270
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Date: Thu, 10 Jul 1997 11:31:52 -0400
From: Russ DeVilbiss
Subject: RE: Compliance review and records
Tom,
I am not an attorney, but my understanding is that allowing a third party to look at attorney-client work products violates the privilege and opens the docuements to discovery. The EPA, in its good intention, scared management silly with its civil and cr
iminal statutes and threats of throwing executives in jail. So when compliance audits discovers issues that need to be addressed and a company does not have the resources to address everything at once for immediate compliance, I can understand the lack o
f willingness for management to disclose dirty laundry.
Maybe we should ask Bill Clinton's lawyers about attorney-client privilege...well maybe not...
Russ DeVilbiss
ISO 14000/EMS Product Manager
ERAtech Environmental, Inc.
rdevilbiss@eratech.com
800.848.4990 x126
937.859.8998 x126
(f) 937.859.9132
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From: DuPlessis, Tom [SMTP:dupleste@westinghouse.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 10, 1997 9:42 AM
To: 'iso14000@quality.org'
Cc: 'rdevilbiss@eratech.com'
Subject: FW: Compliance review and records
I am being intentionally facetious, but what's the fuss all about? So a
registrar reviews an audit report and reads it to make sure it isn't
actually a recipe for chocolate chip cookies. They may then verify that
any items identified were addressed in the organization's checking and
corrective action system. The organization developed a procedure,
implemented it, and proved it. Done.
In most states (Massachusetts being an exception?), wouldn't a
confidentiality agreement with the registrar suffice? Isn't that what
we companies do when we hire the consultants that actually find and
report the compliance issues to us in the first place? Would it help if
the registrar were hired by an attorney representing the company?
Thanks in advance for any enlightenment!
Tom DuPlessis
Westinghouse Electric Corporation
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:51:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: oakville@cycor.ca (Pollutech Environmental Consultants)
Subject: Emergency Prep & Response Plans
Hi,
I am looking to put together some examples of emergency response procedures
(for reference purposes) in an effort to better serve our clients. Does
anyone know of any web-sites (or other means) that have emergency
preparedness and response plans or procedures posted??? Thanx in advance...
POLLUTECH ENVIRONMENTAL LIMITED
768 Westgate Road, Oakville, Ontario, L6L 5N2
Tel: 905-847-0065 fax: 905-847-3840
Web Site: http://www.pollutech.com
e-mail: oakville@pollutech.com
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 11:21:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: ASchoffm@aol.com
Subject: Compliance review and records
With regard to the most recent discussion on this topic, note the final
paragraph of 4.5.3 in the ISO 14001 standard. "Records shall be maintained,
as appropriate to the SYSTEM (caps mine) and to the organization, to
demonstrate conformance to the requirements of this International Standard."
Records are required to demonstrate conformance to the Standard. The system
set up will include whatever components the company desires to include. The
"legal compliance" components can be included or not as long as the
commitment to comply with legal requirements exists and a documented
procedure for evauating compliance with relevant environmental legislation
exists.
There are companies whose representatives have stated publicly that they do
not want to show actual compliance measurments and data to ISO 14001
auditors. I disagree with Paul Reed's comment, "it is my opinion that YES
registrars should be 'writing up' (as you call it) companies who are
unwilling to show records of compliance audits. Compliance evaluations are
as you say mandatory under measuring and monitoring section 4.5.1 and should
be documented."
Companies will document their compliance monitoring data because they need to
show it to regulatory authorities. They are not required to show them to the
ISO 14001 auditors if compliance indicators are not part of the system.
Alan Schoffman
TEAM 14000, Inc.
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 09:05:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Bert P. Krages"
Subject: RE: Compliance review and records
At 11:31 AM 7/10/97 -0400, Russ DeVilbiss wrote:
>Tom,
>
>I am not an attorney, but my understanding is that allowing a third party
to look at attorney-client work products violates the privilege and opens
the docuements to discovery. The EPA, in its good intention, scared
management silly with its civil and criminal statutes and threats of
throwing executives in jail. So when compliance audits discovers issues
that need to be addressed and a company does not have the resources to
address everything at once for immediate compliance, I can understand the
lack of willingness for management to disclose dirty laundry.
>
>
Russ is correct that allowing a third party to look at documents protected
by the attorney-client privilege waives any legal claim to confidentiality
of those documents. This means that if a registrar reviews protected
compliance audit reports then those reports become discoverable in response
to a government information request or in a legal proceeding. A
confidentiality agreement between the registrar and the audited party will
not preclude the government or any litigant from obtaining the documents
reviewed by the auditor since these agreements do not fall within a legally
recognized privilege (with the limited exception of some State audit
privilege laws) .
Russ is also correct in that EPA has taken an enforcement intensive approach
in administering its programs and that company executives are justified in
their concerns. However, I would like to add to this thread by explaining
why environmental audits are so sensitive.
Audits go beyond presenting the risk of disclosing unlawful conduct to
government agencies or environmental groups who may file lawsuits seeking
penalties. The most significant risk is that the failure to correct
noncompliance reported in an audit can lead to individual criminal charges
filed against company managers. Furthermore, all the persons to whom audit
reports are circulated are at risk of such charges. Another risk is that
audit reports and workpapers are sometimes worded in manner that increases
the evidentiary effect of what might otherwise be considered a relatively
minor violation. For instance, a company could have a small spill of a
moderately toxic substance and be exposed to some sort of enforcement.
However, the degree of enforcement is likely to be higher if an overzealous
or otherwise improvident auditor writes something down in the workpapers
such "the spill of X indicates a lack of concern on the part of managment."
In this instance, the government might likewise consider individual criminal
charges.
With regard to the issue of whether section 4.5.1 of ISO 14001 requires
audits to be documented, I do not interpret this section to require that
compliance audits be documented per se although if they are (which would be
the typical case) then they are environmental records which must be managed
in accordance with section 4.5.3. However, I do not read section 4.5.3 as
requiring that audit reports be retained for any particular length of time.
With regard to registrar audits, I do not think that ISO 14001 requires the
registrar to review compliance audits. All that is required is for the
registrar to review the documented procedures for evaluating compliance and
satisfy him or herself that the company is following those procedures. This
can be done by interviewing the staff responsible for the audits to
ascertain that they are following the procedures. The actual reports need
not be reviewed. In fact, I wonder how a registrar would view the effect on
its marketing efforts if word got about that it had testified adversely
against a client in front of a grand jury and disclosed the contents of
otherwise privileged documents. In other words, is it really in the
registrar's interest to cause a client to unnecessarily waive the
confidentiality of sensitive documents?
Thanks to Russ for starting a great thread.
Bert P. Krages
Environmental Law
900 S.W. Fifth Avenue, Suite 1900
Portland, Oregon 97204
krages@ teleport.com
http://www.teleport.com/~krages/
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 00:35:02 -0400 (EDT)
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Date: Fri, 11 Jul 1997 10:59:26 -0400
From: "Robert Clifford, Jr."
Subject: Re: Emergency Prep & Response Plans
To: Pollutech Environmental Consultants
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You may wish to look at the Federal Register (a U.S. government document
published daily), vol. 61, no. 109, pp. 28642-28664 (June 5, 1996), for the
Integrated Contingency Plan guidance that provides a usefull, detailed
outline of an emergency response contingency plan that can be used to
satisfy several USEPA regulatory requirements.
Robert Clifford
ISO Environmental Consultancy
Schenectady NY
clifford@quality.org
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Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 23:31:31 +1000
From: Ric Morgan
Subject: Re: Compliance review and records
My recollection of the development of ISO14000 in the development stage
was that one of the sticking points has always been the problems for
those in the US with the idea of a compliance audit and a compliance
register due to the problems of self incrimination. Here in Australia
there is ongoing discussions about the status of such compliance audits
and the attitude of the authorities to the results of such audits. The
hope for outcome and it seems reasonably likely in at least some states
that such audits are not to be available to assist the regulator to
prosecute. This to my mind is a good thing.
I would however be cautious about these audits especially if you don't
want to put some plan in place to do something to fix the areas of non
compliance.
Russ DeVilbiss said
> So when compliance audits discovers issues that need to be addressed
> and a company does not have the resources to address everything at
> once for immediate compliance, I can understand the lack of
> willingness for management to disclose dirty laundry.
I, too, can understand this but, (and this is a big but), are these the
companies that should be being certified as having an ISO14000 compliant
EMS? This problem for companies goes to the route of their commitment
to improving environmental performance. If they are not prepare to put
in place plans to get to compliance or to actively challenge the
validity of the areas that they don't comply by show why there is no
environmental harm or why it is not significant. Just saying "I want
ISO14000 certification but only as long as I can keep up the same
(probably poor) environmental performance" doesn't meet so many of the
requirements for certification why worry about missing out because you
don't want a compliance review / audit / register.
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Ric Morgan
Noel Arnold & Associates Pty Ltd
2 Gale Street, MORTLAKE NSW 2137, AUSTRALIA
Ph: + 61 2 9743 1261 Fax: + 61 2 9743 1241
Noel Arnold & Associates Pty Ltd (http://www.ozemail.com.au/~naanet/)are
a privately owned Occupational Health, Safety and Environmental
Consultancy. But the information is Ric Morgan's and represents his
opinions.
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Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 11:58:03 +0800 (SGT)
From: Kavita Gandhi
Subject: Re: ISO 14001 time frame
I run a clean technology environmental management information centre for the
Singapore Cofederation of Industries which has 1400 members.
I have a request from one of our member's(a large sized manufacturing co.)
who needs to know approx. how many man hours(external consultants) it should
take to get a company ready for ISO 14000 certification.
Case study of any co. which has got certified and how much time they took to
do it would be most helpful.
Thanks in advance
Kavita Gandhi
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:53:02 -0400
From: "MJ \"Mark\" Saarelainen"
Subject: EPA's EMS Manual Link
I have added a link to EPA's Environmental Management Systems Manual (for
small and medium enterprises) to my web page:
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Park/1114/document.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Park/1114/mjsus.htm
This EMS manual seems to be quite good guidance and advice for developing
and implementing voluntary environmental management systems in businesses.
Best regards,
Mark
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Date: Tue, 15 Jul 1997 11:39:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: re: Hot Jobs
Two new positions at Underwriters' Laboratories in Research Park Triangle,
NC, have just been posted to the HOT JOBS are at the QUALITY.ORG website,
located at:
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Date: Thu, 17 Jul 1997 23:29:43 -0400
From: "MJ \"Mark\" Saarelainen"
Subject: ISO 9000 / Quality System Survey - Follow-up
7/17/97
Dear Colleague,
In January / February, 1994 (yes, more than three years ago), I completed
the ISO 9000 / Quality System Development Project Survey. This survey was
very successful and I received a lot of good and helpful responses from many
different individuals and organizations around the globe.
However, businesses and organizations have changed since early 1994 and the
greater number of individuals and companies are using currently the Internet
and e-mail in their businesses and quality activities. In addition, the
greater number of companies have achieved ISO 9000 certifications /
registration around the globe (and this number is still rising).
In order to track any new developments and changes, I have decided to
complete the follow-up survey of ISO 9000 / Quality System development and
implementation projects. I would appreciate greatly, if you could provide
your input and complete this follow-up survey. You can access the blank
on-line survey form in the following web location (if possible, please,
complete this survey form by July 25, 1997 so that I can start analysing
these responses timely - thanks in advance):
http://www.geocities.com/Eureka/Park/1114/iso9sur1.htm
All individuals, who like to receive the summary report of this survey and
who have completed this survey form and e-mailed it to me, will receive the
complete survey summary report in September to their e-mail address (you
have to specify this e0-mail address in your survey response form (Email
Address - field). If you do not have web access and you like to receive
these survey questions by e-mail, please, let me know and I'll e-mail this
survey to you.
Thank you advance for your great help and assistance.
Have a very nice day !
MJ "Mark" Saarelainen
P.S. And if you have any questions about this survey and any specific
questions, please, let me know.
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Tel: USA-(770)-998-7855
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To view any updates in newsletters, links, information
technology and other matters, please, visit the following
web site::
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DISCLAIMER:
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Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 09:15:12 +0900 (CDT)
From: cacems@public.bta.net.cn
Subject: [none]
Dear Mr./Ms.
I am an information officer working in the information department of the Ch
ina Center for Environmental Management System. Someone has told me some ne
ws on the development of EMS in USA But it is not in accordance with what
have heard foemerly. So, I have some question on it, which he can^Òt answer.
I hope that you or other experts can give me an answer.
I^Òd like to ask you some things related the registrar and the accreditation
organization (such as, ANSI-RAB National Accreditation Program)
1. Who bears the responsibility for the evaluation about effective result o
f site auditing in U.S.A, a department in the registrar, or the accreditat
ion organization (such as ANSI-RAB NAP)?
2. An accredited registrar can issue the certificate for the organization w
ho has passed the site auditing, and the evaluation about the result of sit
e auditing(1.). It has nothing to do with other organization, such as the a
ccreditation organization (such as ANSI-RAB NAP in U.S.A.), isn^Òt it?
All the best,
Your Sincerely
PeiLin Li
Information Department
China Center for Environmental Management System
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 15:46:45 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org: Non-member submission from ["heather weir" ] (fwd)
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 07:31:57 -0400 (EDT)
From: "heather weir"
To: iso14000@cyberq.quality.org
Subject: Audit Question Lists
Hi!
Does anyone have access to a standard auditor's checklist of questions
referring to the ISO14001 standard that I could get a copy of? I am thinking
of the kind of thing TUV, BSI, SGS etc give to you to perform a kind of
"self-audit" on ISO9000 before they come to do the certification audit.
This would be very helpful for me.
Thanks
Heather
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Silicon Graphics Mfg SA, Ch. des Rochettes 2, CH-2016, Cortaillod
Phone: 41-32 -843-3643 Fax: 843-3900 Voicemail: 3643
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:39:45 -0400 (EDT)
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Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org: Non-member submission from ["Rosalie A. Skefich" ] (fwd)
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Date: Tue, 22 Jul 1997 17:34:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Rosalie A. Skefich"
To: "'CustomEnvl@west.net'"
Subject: Form R Reporting Extension to September 8
From: Madden Patrick [SMTP:Madden_Patrick@bah.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 1997 12:22 PM
To: Multiple recipients of list
Subject: Form R Reporting Extension
During the week of July 20th, EPA will announce in the Federal Register that
it is extending the reporting deadline for facilities required to submit Toxic
Release Inventory (or TRI) reports for calendar year 1996 under EPCRA Section
313. The new reporting deadline for TRI Form R's and Form A's is September 8,
1997. The reporting deadline was previously August 1,1997.
EPA is offering the grace period to provide companies with adequate time to
prepare and submit complete and accurate TRI reports. The allowance of
additional time for reporting applies only to the EPCRA Section 313 reporting
obligations for TRI reports, covering calendar year 1996 activities. It does
not apply to any other EPCRA reporting obligations, or to any TRI reports due
for past or future reporting years.
This extension applies to the federal TRI program. It may or may not apply to
states who require the submission of forms similar to the federal Form R.
EPA has revised the 1996 reporting form to provide for breakout information on
Class I underground injection wells and RCRA Subtitle C landfills.
Specifically, the revised Form R requests new information to distinguish the
class and location of on-site underground injection wells into which toxic
chemicals are disposed, and information on the type of on-site landfills used
to dispose of wastes containing toxic chemicals.
Eligible facilities are encouraged to report using the abbreviated Form A,
also known as the annual certification statement (which is a shorter form that
can be used by qualifying facilities that generate small amounts of TRI
chemicals in waste).
Rosalie A. Skefich
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 05:51:17 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org: Non-member submission from ["heather weir" ] (fwd)
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 05:35:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: "heather weir"
To: iso14000@cyberq.quality.org
Subject: Ecological Details
Hi,
Has anyone done a study comparing the use of plastic cups versus the usage of
glasses which then are washed in a dishwasher.
Does the extra water used to clean the glass outweigh the damage to natural
resources of using a plastic cup for the water in the office cooler?
Any comments would be helpful.
thanks
heather
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Silicon Graphics Mfg SA, Ch. des Rochettes 2, CH-2016, Cortaillod
Phone: 41-32 -843-3643 Fax: 843-3900 Voicemail: 3643
"Mediocrity is Habit Forming, Perfection Unattainable - Strive for Excellence!"
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 09:40:49 EST
From: "David L. Turner"
Subject: Subject: Audit Question Lists
Heather Weir wrote:
>Does anyone have access to a standard auditor's checklist
>of questions referring to the ISO14001 standard that I
>could get a copy of?
I have been searching for this kind of information also and
would appreciate any information too. Something more in
depth than questions such as "Do you have an EMS?" TIA.
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"This book has nothing but words in it!"
Will, my four year old, after looking at a dictionary
Regards,
David Turner
YSI Safety Coordinator
1725 Brannum Lane
Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387
Email: DTurner@YSI.com
Phone 1-937-767-1685 ext. 270
Facmetaphor: 1-937-767-9353
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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 1997 11:34:32 -0400 (EDT)
From: ASchoffm@aol.com
Subject: ISO 14001 Checklists
The following is from the GEMI site - www.gemi.org
ISO 14001 Environmental Management System Self-Assessment Checklist.
This checklist is based on the ISO 14001 standard and allows for a rapid
self-assessment of an organization or facility to determine how closely
existing management practices and procedures correspond to the elements
of the standard. In addition to a brief guide to self-scoring, a fuller
description of what is required by the standard's criteria is included
in the appendix. 1996. 54 pages.
$25.00 Each - 202-296-7449
>From the NSF International Site (www.nsf.org) - 800-NSF-MARK
EMS Self-Assessment Tool for ISO 14001 . . . . . . . . $45.00
There may be some available as postings but I haven't seen any.
Alan Schoffman
TEAM 14000, Inc.
aschoffm@aol.com
201-837-5934/8893-fax
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 12:08:07 -0700
From: Fernando Ordoñez Monteagudo
Subject: ISO 14000 in natural parks
Hello,
Does anyone know anything about implementation of standardised EMS
in natural parks?
Thank you,
Fernando Ordonez
Environmental Management Office
Sevillana de Electricidad
SEVILLE (SPAIN)
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 11:32:55 -0400 (EDT)
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Date: Fri, 25 Jul 1997 10:45:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Pedro P. de Lima-e-Silva"
Organization: Comissao Nacional de Energia Nuclear
To: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: ISO 14000 in Natural Parks
I would also be interested in certification of Natural Parks.
Thank you for any info available.
Pedro P. de Lima-e-Silva
Comissao Nacional de Energia Nuclear
Rio de Janeiro - RJ - Brasil
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Date: Mon, 28 Jul 1997 16:37:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hussain Al-Ekabi
Subject: Re: Advanced Oxidation Technologies
On behalf of the International Organizing Committee, I would like to invite
you to participate at the Fourth International Conference on Advanced
Oxidation Technologies for Water and Air Remediation and the Third
International Conference on TiO2 Photocatalytic Purification and Treatment
of Water and Air which will jointly be held at the Radisson Twin Towers
Hotel in Orlando, Florida, USA, September 24-26, 1997. You are also invited
to participate at the one day pre-conference workshop on "Advanced Oxidation
Technologies: Fundamentals & Applications" which is scheduled for September
23, 1997.
In the past 15 to 20 years, there has been remarkable progress in various
areas of advanced oxidation technologies in general and TiO2 Photocatalysis
in particular. In fact, AOTs are now providing powerful alternatives for
various conventional technologies for purification, treatment and
remediation of water and air. Therefore, the AOTs Workshop, AOTs-4 and
TiO2-3rd Conferences are designed to provide you with a global perspective
on the research, development, demonstration and commercialization of these
emerging technologies. I assure you that you will come away with a wealth
of inspiring information on such highly promising technologies for
purification, treatment and remediation of water and air.
The technical programs of these highly prestigious international
conferences and workshop are now available on the internet. For these
programs and more information, please visit our home page using the
following URL: http://www.info.london.on.ca/~sti.ekabi/index.html. You can
e-mail( sti.ekabi@info.london.on.ca) or fax us your request and we will
immediately send you the programs. Should you have any questions, please
contact me.
Please be advised that on site registration for the Workshop starts on
Monday, September 22, 1997 from 2:00-6:00 p.m. and will resume at 7:30 a.m.
on Tuesday, September 23, 1997. On site registration for the Conferences
starts on Tuesday, September 23, 1997 from 2:00-6:00 p.m. and resumes at
7:30 a.m. on Wednesday, September 24, 1997. A special room rate for
September 19-29, 1997 has been arranged with the Radisson Twin Towers (
$85.00 U.S.+ taxes per night). Please contact the hotel directly by phone
1-800-327-2110 or fax 407-370- 0929 mentioning that you are attending the
Advanced Oxidation Technologies Conference to obtain this special rate.
I look forward to seeing you in Orlando this September at what promises to
be highly successful international conferences and workshop.
Sincerely Yours,
Hussain Al-Ekabi, Chariman
International Organizing Committee
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Hussain Al-Ekabi, Ph.D.
President of Science & Technology Integration, Inc.
Adjunct Professor of Chemistry
The Uiversity of Western Ontario Research Park
100 Collip Circle, Suite 110
London, ON N6G 4X8
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Phone: (519) 858-5055 Fax: (519) 858-5056
E-mail: sti.ekabi@info.london.on.ca
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Date: Fri, 1 Aug 1997 16:37:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: ASchoffm@aol.com
Subject: Clarification
A question which goes back to the beginning of time for ISO 14001.
Section 4.3.3 Objectives and Targets, last paragraph, states:
"The objectives and targets shall be consistent with the environmental
policy, INCLUDING THE COMMITMENT TO PREVENTION OF POLLUTION.
Please pardon the caps. The question is why was that phrase added to the
paragraph? Without it, obj&targ must be consistent with the environmental
policy, presumably all components of the policy, including commitment to
continual improvement and regulatory compliance and any other mandated
components or non-mandated that a company wishes to put into its policy.
The word "including" does not exclude anything. It is usually used to stress
something that may be unusual or overlooked.
OR, is there a real intention to state that the obj&targ must include a
demonstration of the commitment to prevention of pollution, not just to be
consistent?
This came to mind because the SubTag 1 of TC207 has just issued for comment
several "answers" to questions regarding the intent of ISO 14001. One of the
questions was whether Section 3, Definitions is binding and can auditors
determine the "appropriateness" of obj&targs by checking to see if they meet
definitions 3.7 and 3.10.
The draft response states that only Section 4, EMS Requirements, is audited
for the organzation's conformance to ISO 14001. Obj&targ are assessed to
Section 4.3.3. The final sentence of the draft response is: "If documented
objectives and targets are consistent with the environmental policy,
including the commitment to prevention of pollution, and their development
has considered the issues listed in paragraph two of the section, objectives
and targets are "appropriate."
There's that statement again appended to the general clause.
What does it really mean?
Alan Schoffman
TEAM 14000, Inc.
201-837-5934
aschoffm@aol.com
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Date: Fri, 01 Aug 1997 14:51:35 -0700
From: "Bert P. Krages"
Subject: Re: Clarification
At 04:37 PM 8/1/97 -0400, A. Schoffman wrote:
>A question which goes back to the beginning of time for ISO 14001.
>
>Section 4.3.3 Objectives and Targets, last paragraph, states:
>
>"The objectives and targets shall be consistent with the environmental
>policy, INCLUDING THE COMMITMENT TO PREVENTION OF POLLUTION.
>
>Please pardon the caps. The question is why was that phrase added to the
>paragraph? Without it, obj&targ must be consistent with the environmental
>policy, presumably all components of the policy, including commitment to
>continual improvement and regulatory compliance and any other mandated
>components or non-mandated that a company wishes to put into its policy.
>There's that statement again appended to the general clause.
* * *
>
>What does it really mean?
>
I don't know for sure but take a look at section 3.13 which defines
"prevention of pollution" very broadly as:
"use of practices, materials or products that avoid , reduce or control
pollution, which may include recycling, treatment, process changes, control
mechanisms, efficient use of resources and material substitution."
In other words, it appears that the use of the term "prevention of
pollution" merely requires the organization to do something that avoids,
controls, or reduces pollution. The ISO 14001 definition of prevention of
pollution is thus different than the term "pollution prevention" as
commonly used in the United States (i.e., the avoidance of pollution).
Note also that ISO 14004 (nonbinding guidance) states that the
environmental policy should consider the "prevention of pollution."
Perhaps one interpretation is that if the environmental policy expresses a
commitment to the prevention of pollution, then the objectives and targets
should not reflect anything that is inconsistent with the avoidance,
reduction, or control of pollution.
Bert P. Krages II
Environmental Law and Mediation
900 S.W. Fifth Avenue, Suite 1900
Portland, Oregon 97204
Law:
Mediation:
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