iso14000-digest Friday, September 26 1997 Volume 02 : Number 012
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From: "Neil G. Vander Linden"
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With regard to an ISO 14001 registered firm in the Duluth area, the
September issue of The International Environmental Systems Update has
a list of known U.S. sites which shows none in Minnesota. The closest
to you on the list is Comtech in Waupun, WI. I know the list is not
complete as a local firm that has been registered for about a year is not
listed. They give a phone number to call if you were inadvertently left off
(Pam Berry at 703-250-5900) you might try calling to see if she now
knows of someone in your area.
Neil Vander Linden
Charleston, SC
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:01:17 -0400
From: "Neil G. Vander Linden"
Subject: MSc Environmental Auditing -Reply
If one uses the web address you gave in the message
(http://www.aber.ac.uk/~eiawww/) there is no direct link to the ISO
related links page. For links one needs to go to
http://www.aber.ac.uk/~adc/links.htm. I have used this page before and
find it useful.
Neil Vander Linden
Westvaco Corp.
Charleston, SC
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:32:59 +0000 (GMT)
From: "A Chowdhury (PCRI)"
Subject: Paper Towels Vs. Hot air hand dryers
This is in response to the following posted message:-
On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, jlsprof-1 wrote:
> I'm not sure I would agree that replacing paper towels with hot air dryers
> eliminates solid waste. Suppose the electricity supplying the air dryer is
....
Dear Jim,
I think one can learn from what we do in India. We neither use paper
towels nor hot air hand dryers for drying our hands. We use personal cloth
hand towels instead, which is reused after washing, just as we wash our
clothes and wear them again. Some may find the practice unhygenic, but for
most of us it's the way of life. Personally, I find it more convinient
than using either paper towels or hot air hand dryers!
Best Regards.
Avijit Chowdhury
Pollution Control Res. Instt.
BHEL, Hardwar - 249403
India
Email: hwr01!mscac@hth01.bhel.ernet.in
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:50:10 +0800
From: James Grigsby
Subject: Re: ISO Certified Companies? How Many? Where are they?
In Taiwan, where we do environmental and safety management system
consulting, there are over 60 firms certified to ISO 14001. This number is
expected to reach 100 by the end of the year.
Interestingly, many western firms that have yet to seek certification at
sites in western countries are jumping on the ISO 14001 bandwagon here in
Asia. This suggests that for these companies the driver for pursuing
certification is actually more local/regional than international.
I expect you'll find that other newly developed economies in the Asia region
have similar rates of certification.
At 11:34 ¤W¤È 1997/9/20 -0400, you wrote:
>Greetings everyone,
>I believe there are many other people with the same questions I have:
>I would like to obtain information about the number of companies who are
>certified, or who are seeking ISO 14000 certification. Unlike Duncan
>Philips, I would like to find this data for much larger geographic areas.
>Is there a source for this type of information on the web? If not, who do
>I have to contact?
>
>Thank you all in advance for your time and effort toward this matter,
>===================================================
>Robert Sroufe
>N301 North Business Complex
>Department of Marketing and Supply Chain Management
>The Eli Broad Graduate School of Management
>Michigan State University
>East Lansing, MI 48824-1112
>email:sroufero@pilot.msu.edu
>Tel.: (517) 353-6381
>Fax: (517) 432-1112
>===================================================
>
>
>
-- James
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:24:21 -0000
From: "jlsprof-1"
Subject: Re: Paper Towels Vs. Hot air hand dryers
It seems to me that using cloth towels creates its own environmental
problems: energy used to heat the water for washing the towels, detergent
manufacture and runoff, etc. etc. Now there's 3 ways to dry our hands and
I can't rate anyone anymore environmentally friendly than the other. Can
anybody rank them? I suggest that we quit using any of those methods and
just wave our hands around in the air until they dry themselves. Besides
that and wiping our hands on the clothes we're wearing, I think hand drying
will involve affecting the environment and I don't think one method can be
considered better than another.
Jim Smith
jlsprof-1@erols.com
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> From: A Chowdhury (PCRI)
> To: ISO14000 LIST
> Subject: Paper Towels Vs. Hot air hand dryers
> Date: Monday, September 22, 1997 3:32 PM
>
> This is in response to the following posted message:-
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, jlsprof-1 wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure I would agree that replacing paper towels with hot air
dryers
> > eliminates solid waste. Suppose the electricity supplying the air
dryer is
> ....
>
> Dear Jim,
>
> I think one can learn from what we do in India. We neither use paper
> towels nor hot air hand dryers for drying our hands. We use personal
cloth
> hand towels instead, which is reused after washing, just as we wash our
> clothes and wear them again. Some may find the practice unhygenic, but
for
> most of us it's the way of life. Personally, I find it more convinient
> than using either paper towels or hot air hand dryers!
>
> Best Regards.
>
> Avijit Chowdhury
>
> Pollution Control Res. Instt.
> BHEL, Hardwar - 249403
> India
> Email: hwr01!mscac@hth01.bhel.ernet.in
>
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 08:45:04 -0700
From: MCotter@golder.com (Mark Cotter)
Subject: Re[2]: Paper Towels Vs. Hot air hand dryers
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This dilemma is the reason why standards are being developed for life
cycle analysis under the ISO 14000 series, so that any comparisons
would be based on similar, defensible, and widely accepted criteria!
Mark Cotter
Golder Associates Ltd.
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Subject: Re: Paper Towels Vs. Hot air hand dryers
Author: at internet
Date: 9/23/97 6:24 PM
It seems to me that using cloth towels creates its own environmental
problems: energy used to heat the water for washing the towels, detergent
manufacture and runoff, etc. etc. Now there's 3 ways to dry our hands and
I can't rate anyone anymore environmentally friendly than the other. Can
anybody rank them? I suggest that we quit using any of those methods and
just wave our hands around in the air until they dry themselves. Besides
that and wiping our hands on the clothes we're wearing, I think hand drying
will involve affecting the environment and I don't think one method can be
considered better than another.
Jim Smith
jlsprof-1@erols.com
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> From: A Chowdhury (PCRI)
> To: ISO14000 LIST
> Subject: Paper Towels Vs. Hot air hand dryers
> Date: Monday, September 22, 1997 3:32 PM
>
> This is in response to the following posted message:-
>
>
> On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, jlsprof-1 wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure I would agree that replacing paper towels with hot air
dryers
> > eliminates solid waste. Suppose the electricity supplying the air
dryer is
> ....
>
> Dear Jim,
>
> I think one can learn from what we do in India. We neither use paper
> towels nor hot air hand dryers for drying our hands. We use personal
cloth
> hand towels instead, which is reused after washing, just as we wash our
> clothes and wear them again. Some may find the practice unhygenic, but
for
> most of us it's the way of life. Personally, I find it more convinient
> than using either paper towels or hot air hand dryers!
>
> Best Regards.
>
> Avijit Chowdhury
>
> Pollution Control Res. Instt.
> BHEL, Hardwar - 249403
> India
> Email: hwr01!mscac@hth01.bhel.ernet.in
>
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 8:02:42 -0600
From: raymond.murphy@rosshardies.com
Subject: Re: Paper Towels Vs. Hot Air Hand Dryers
The discussion re Paper Towels Vs. Hot Air Hand Dryers reminds me of
the debate over paper vs. cloth diapers not so many years ago.
Thousands of couples struggled with this issue in the late sixties and
early seventies and were often made to feel guilty with their
decision.
Then a respected consulting firm (Arthur D. Little, I believe) did an
in-depth cradle-to-grave investigation into the air, water, waste and
energy aspects of the two. I am not certain, but I seem to recall
that federal government grant moneys supported at least part of their
investigation.
As it turned out the paper diapers resulted in greater air emissions
and took up space in landfills, but the cloth diapers resulted in
greater wastewater impacts and used more energy. In other words, they
came to the conclusion that "it's a wash" .
The study paid no (or only passing) attention to the manner in which
the two types of diapers (1) performed their objective (i.e., keeping
baby bottoms dry), (2) the convenience of one type over the other (As
my wife and I proved, there is nothing quite like the pleasure of
schlepping around soiled diapers until one gets home to the diaper
pail), or (3) customer preferences (To hell with convenience, we're
talking the environment!) Those were, at best, only secondary
considerations.
Once again, history repeats itself. I wonder what the next debate
will be. Cheers!
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:22:00 -0400 (EDT)
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From: "Neil G. Vander Linden"
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With reference to the best method for hand drying one needs to first
consider the purpose of washing and drying hands and the relative
efficiency of the methods. After reading the following, I believe I'll stick
with paper towels. To do otherwise might be akin to losing your keys in a
dark alley and looking for them under the street light because you can
see better there.
Hand drying: A study of bacterial types associated with different hand
drying methods and with hot air dryers. Redway, K.,
Knights, B., Bozoky, Z., Theobald, A., and Hardcastle. 1994. London,
UK, Applied Ecology Research Group, University of
Westminster.
In a previous study under natural conditions, towels were found to be
more efficient in drying the hands that hot air dryers where
many people completed drying on clothes etc. Microbiological studies
revealed that using towels after washing reduced bacterial
counts on the hands by an average of 42% (paper) and 10% (cotton).
With hot air dryers, however, counts increased by more
than 500%. Bacteria were blown out of dryers whenever they were
running.
In the present study, standard techniques were used to identify and
count the bacteria associated with hand washing and drying
under natural conditions. Average bacterial counts were again reduced
using towels - the most significant decrease being with
paper towel. Hot air dryers produced significant increases in all bacteria
- -436% rise with some skin and gut bacteria. The
presence of gut bacteria is indicative of fecal contamination of the
hands.
In a further study, bacteria were isolated from swabs taken from the air
flow nozzle and air inlet of 35 hot air dryers in nine types
of locations (including hospitals, eating places, railway stations, public
houses, colleges, shops and sports clubs.) Bacteria were
relatively numerous in the airflows and on the inlets of 100% of dryers
sampled and in 97% of the nozzles. Staphylococci and
micrococci (probably from skin and hair) were blown out of all of the
dryers sampled for these type of bacteria and 95%
showed evidence of the potential pathogen Staphylococcus aureus. At
least 6 species of gut bacteria (enterobacteria) were
isolated from the air flows of 63% of the dryers, indicating fecal
contamination.
It is concluded that hot air dryers have the potential for depositing
pathogenic bacteria onto the hands and body. Bacteria could
also be inhaled and are distributed into the general environment
whenever dryers are running. It is suggested that the use of hot
air dryers should be carefully considered on health grounds, especially
in sensitive locations.
Neil Vander Linden
ngvande@westvaco.com
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:04:46
From: "Jup van 't Veld"
Subject: Re: Paper Towels Vs. Hot Air Hand Dryers
At 08:02 AM 9/24/97 -0600, you wrote:
> The discussion re Paper Towels Vs. Hot Air Hand Dryers reminds me of
> the debate over paper vs. cloth diapers not so many years ago.
> Thousands of couples struggled with this issue in the late sixties and
> early seventies and were often made to feel guilty with their
> decision.
> {...}
Yes, and other famous examples are coffeecups (stone mugs vs. plastic
cups), milk packaging (glass bottles vs. cardboard containers) and even car
fuel (gasoline vs. diesel).
There is a method, called life cycle analysis, which is fairly well
developed and can give some relevant answers. Of course there are many
pitfalls, as well as many opportunities for abuse. It is very important to
realise why one should want to make such an analysis.
To take the milk packaging example: glass bottles can be re-used 20 to 30
times, and then recycled. Cardboard containers on the other hand are much
lighter and have a square shape, which facilitates a much more efficient
transport. They cannot be re-used and hardly be recycled; but re-using
glass bottles means using water, energy and detergents to clean the bottles.
A comparison is partly dependent on socio-geographic factors. E.g. in
Sweden, with large transport routes in areas where hardly anyone lives the
picture is different from that in my country (Netherlands), which is
crammed with milk drinkers.
Also, an LCA should be used for tracking down innovation opportunities
rather than for marketing and disqualifying the competitor's product. Again
in the case of the milk container: it is possible to combine the advantage
of the glass bottle (multiple use) with that of the carton (light weight
and square shape): a re-usable and recycable light-weight container made of
polycarbonate.
Jup van 't Veld
Amsterdam (NL)
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:09:28 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org: Non-member submission from ["Pedro P. de Lima-e-Silva" ] (fwd)
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:19:35 -0300
To: iso14000@quality.org
From: "Pedro P. de Lima-e-Silva"
Subject: Re: Paper Towels Vs. Hot air hand dryers
Hi, I have been reading this discussion, and would like to break it a
little. First, I want you excuse me for my english. Second, all this
sounds strange. Sorry, but are you thinking you could solve any
environmental problem as it would be a simple problem? You really think
that we (humans) are so smart that we can understand a complex problem
just shooting thoughts? Each env. problem is a different problem, and each
has to be studied and analized; the cycle ought to be researched, and only
then you will be able to say anything about it. This is science, and we
cannot make science like our politicians discussing how to solve society's
problem just raising or lowing taxes.
Life is complex, human beings are complex, so the challenges we have.
About the towels problem, we could look at two parts of these problem. We
have the impact of the product itself, the cloth-towel, the hand-dryer and
the paper-towell. Looking just those, of course the cloth-towel looks
better, obviously. It is renewable, spends less material and energy (by
itself).
Looking at the whole cycle we will have to assess and compare the marginal
env. costs, i.e., what is the impact of the fraction of energy spent to
make the hand-dryer work for one drying, what is the fraction of impact
(marginal impact) of one drying when washing the cloth (if the guy uses
the towel 10 times before washing is one thing), what is the impact of
producing one paper-towel and then the managing the solid waste generated.
At end of life of each one (dryer machine, paper and cloth) which will be
the weight of waste generated per hand dried?
The issue here is that of course anything we do generates an env. impact;
this is tautology! We have to compare the env. (and so the social) cost
per hand dried. And this is only the beginning, because it is worthless to
come to a conclusion not viable; people will not adopt a solution just
because we have found out the one less environmentally harmful. Americans
won't begin to walk on streets taking cloth towels, or Brazilians like
myself, as Hindus do, there is a culture to be taken into account, and the
solution has to be born inside this culture.
>It seems to me that using cloth towels creates its own environmental
>problems: energy used to heat the water for washing the towels, detergent
>manufacture and runoff, etc. etc. Now there's 3 ways to dry our hands and
>I can't rate anyone anymore environmentally friendly than the other. Can
>anybody rank them? I suggest that we quit using any of those methods and
>just wave our hands around in the air until they dry themselves. Besides
>that and wiping our hands on the clothes we're wearing, I think hand drying
>will involve affecting the environment and I don't think one method can be
>considered better than another.
>Jim Smith
Pedro P. de Lima-e-Silva
Tecnologista
R. Gen. Severiano 90/s.410
Rio de Janeiro - RJ - 22294-900
Brasil
tel. (021) 546-2368
fax. (021) 546-2270
e-mail: lima-e-silva@pobox.com
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:10:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org: Non-member submission from [GINA SNYDER ] (fwd)
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:50:03 -0400 (EDT)
From: GINA SNYDER
To: ajmccusker@aol.com, iso14000@cyberq.quality.org,
hwr01!mscac@hth01.bhel.ernet.in
Subject: iso14000-digest V2 #11 -Reply
In reply to Msrs. Chowdhury and McCusker, there are two electric
generating facilities who participated in the Environmental Leadership
Programs of EPA that have some information on EMS and CMS
development for power generators. Ocean State Power, in Rhode Island
is a gas fired plant, and Maine Energy Recovery Company in Maine is a
waste-to-energy plant using refuse-derived fuel. Information on OSP's
participation in the program and contacts can be reviewed at
http://es.inel.gov/elp. There is also a report available that they produced
on how they implemented their system. Information on Maine Energy's
participation and contacts can be found at
http://www.epa.gov/region01/stewardship.
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:12:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org: Non-member submission from [CHRIS KWAN ] (fwd)
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:00:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: CHRIS KWAN
To: lawtech@abanet.org, Ecol-Econ@csf.colorado.edu,
infoterra@cedar.univie.ac.at, COMPUNOTES-L@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM,
ecotoxicology-l@listserv.vt.edu, iso14000@quality.org,
banking@cfonline.com, eia@cedar.univie.ac.at
Subject: ANY HELP/ADVICE ?
Just to let you guys know, Malaysia is experiencing the worst forest fire
smoke in its history and the fire is from the island of Borneo or to be
precise in Kalimantan, Indonesia. It is burning up an area as big
as Cuba and Singapore combined. Apparently, the smoke has travelled
more than 1,000 kms to reach us here. We have readings Air pollution API
from 136 to 800 in Kuching (the worst affected city). Can anyone tell me the
long term effect of such exposure ? The companies responsible for these
fires are Malaysian joint-venture with Indonesians. What angers me the
most is to see young children with protective mask on their puzzle face.
l want to know if there is any kind of action possible on these
companies ? Save for one or two, they have not even come out to say
"sorry".
Chris Kwan
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Malaysia Email: Worsite@geocities.com
Email: h1kwan@umcsd.um.edu.my
Project WORSITE: http://members.tripod.com/~WORSITE/wos.htm
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:50:59 -0700
From: Fergus Charlton
Subject: Scope for register of legislation
has anyone advice on the scope for the register of legislation.
If i were to include all legislation listed in, say Croner's, is this
excessive? plus i'd have to get copies on them all.
- --
Fergus Charlton Environmental Management Officer
Pointing Limited, Prudhoe, Northumberland, England, NE42 6NJ
tel: 44 1661 832621 Fax: 44 1661 835650
e-mail: Fergus@pointing.plasma.co.uk
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 02:04:14 +0100
From: Matthias Gelber
Subject: Re: Scope for register of legislation
Fergus Charlton wrote:
>
> has anyone advice on the scope for the register of legislation.
> If i were to include all legislation listed in, say Croner's, is this
> excessive? plus i'd have to get copies on them all.
> --
> Fergus Charlton Environmental Management Officer
> Pointing Limited, Prudhoe, Northumberland, England, NE42 6NJ
> tel: 44 1661 832621 Fax: 44 1661 835650
> e-mail: Fergus@pointing.plasma.co.uk
The development of a register of legislation is a requirement of BS
7750, which has been withdrawn already in June 97 and has been replaced
by ISO 14001. ISO 14001 does not prescriptively tell you in what format
and where you are supposed to document legal requirements. Under 4.5.1
ISO 14001 requires the "establishment and maintenance of a documented
procedure for periodically evaluating compliance with relevant
environmental legislation and regulations". The procedure is what ISO
14001 requires to be documented. As a result of performing that
procedure you will have records which refer to relevant legislation and
regulation. Important is the point relevant! If you copy Croner's list
then you will possibly waste some money and time, because a lot of it
will be not relevant to your organisation. Only by evaluating what is
relevant to your organisation you will actually add value to your intent
(and that of ISO 14001) to improve your compliance record (if there is
still something to improve which I assume) and even more important your
environmental performance.
If you then decide to put these results into a register of legislation
- - that is one of several possible ways of keeping your information. For
many organisation this might be the best solution, especially if they
have neglected evaluating compliance in the past.
If you however keep this information as records in several different
locations and departments then that is equally fine with ISO 14001.
Out of my practical experience with European airports and the
implementation of ISO 14001 I learned the lesson that a central register
might be unrealistic, because of the excessive workload involved to
compile it. At large airports in highly regulated countries, staying in
compliance means that numerous experts from a range of departments
continiously develop legislative requirements through an iterative
process of negotiations with planning authorities. These experts then
individually assess compliance and take measures to assure it. The idea
of centralising all this and creating loads of paperwork horrified some
of the large airports. One airport however comissioned a lawyer to
develop such a register of legislation and they now have 7 large manuals
on a shelf which has cost them a lot of money, but it seems to collect a
lot of dust ?!
If you decide not to go for a centralised register and seek
certification to ISO 14001 that is fine. If you get a certification body
(registrar in the terminology of most of the readers) which is insisting
on the format of a register of legisltation then you will have to argue
your case with the certification body and tell them that you seek
certification to the ISO 14001 specification and not to someone's
specific interpretations or whishes. Those people which still live with
a BS 7750 mindset or the ISO 9000 type belief in documentation are still
around and have not yet discovered the practical beauty of ISO 14001
flexibility and the fact that actually there are not that many
documentation requirements in the standard as one might think. More
documentation does not result automaticly in a better system. In my
opinion the challenge is to keep documentation as slim as possible.
Otherwise the environmental manager becomes a person chasing paper all
the time with possibly less time for tackling the real issues.
- --
Matthias Gelber
14000 & 1 Solutions
PO BOX 1005
Stoke-on-Trent UK
ST4 2XY
Phone: +44 (0) 70000 14000
Fax: +44 (0) 70000 14001
Email: mgelber@ibm.net
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 08:28:11 -0400
From: jorser@niagara.com (J. Orser)
Subject: Re:Non-member submission from [CHRIS KWAN h1kwan@ns1.umcsd.um.edu.my>]
- ------ Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:00:45 -0400 (EDT)
>From: CHRIS KWAN
>To: lawtech@abanet.org, Ecol-Econ@csf.colorado.edu,
> infoterra@cedar.univie.ac.at, COMPUNOTES-L@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM,
> ecotoxicology-l@listserv.vt.edu, iso14000@quality.org,
> banking@cfonline.com, eia@cedar.univie.ac.at
>Subject: ANY HELP/ADVICE ?
>
>Just to let you guys know, Malaysia is experiencing the worst forest fire
>smoke in its history and the fire is from the island of Borneo or to be
>precise in Kalimantan, Indonesia. It is burning up an area as big
>as Cuba and Singapore combined. Apparently, the smoke has travelled
>more than 1,000 kms to reach us here. We have readings Air pollution API
>from 136 to 800 in Kuching (the worst affected city). Can anyone tell me the
>long term effect of such exposure ?
More short-term effects may occur than long-term, depending on how long the
exposure exists. Persons with pre-existing respiratory conditions will be
affected most. It is essential that some type of breathing protection is
used; even a cloth over the mouth and nose will help.
>The companies responsible for these fires are Malaysian joint-venture with
>Indonesians. What angers me the most is to see young children with
protective >mask on their puzzle face. l want to know if there is any kind
of action >possible on these companies ? Save for one or two, they have not
even come out >to say "sorry".
>
>Chris Kwan
>---------------------------------------------------------------
>Lecturer in Environmental Law & Finance Tel: 603-7594602 (OPER)
>Institute of Postgraduate Studies and Research Tel: 603-7594410 (DL)
>Uni Malaya, 50603 Kuala Lumpur Fax: 603-7594606
>Malaysia Email: Worsite@geocities.com
> Email: h1kwan@umcsd.um.edu.my
>Project WORSITE: http://members.tripod.com/~WORSITE/wos.htm
>
Who are the North American users of products made by these companies?
Information posted on NA environmental webpages may lead to some action,
perhaps a boycott of their products.
___________
John Orser, OHST, ROHT
*****Orser Environmental & Safety Inc.*****14000 International*****
195 King St., Suite 204, St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada L2R 3J6
(905) 688-0500 Fax 688-4746, jorser@niagara.com, E&OE
"Where observation is concerned, chance favours only the prepared mind."
Louis Pasteur
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 97 15:12:13 +0100
From: Anthony J Lambert
Subject: Register of Regulations
I am working with a company pursuing ISO 14001, and we are currently
trying to put together a concise summary of environmental regulations
that may be relevant to our activities around the world, principally in
Southeast Asia and Europe. The idea is not to collate an exhaustive list
of regulations, but to identify those that may be potentially significant
around the world.
Has anyone attempted such a piece of work? Does anyone have any guidance
on the most effective way of achieving the aim? Are there any internet
resources on worldwide environmental legislation?
Mu apologies for not being able at this stage to be more specific on the
company; but any replies, either personal or via the list, would be
welcomed.
Regards
Anthony J Lambert
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 21:20:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org: Non-member submission from [gsqrd@mailbox.arn.net (George D. Greenly)] (fwd)
NOTE: Respond *both* to the poster's address (see BELOW line reading
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Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 20:35:37 -0400 (EDT)
To: iso14000@quality.org
From: gsqrd@mailbox.arn.net (George D. Greenly)
Subject: Indonesian fires seen from satellite
If any one is interested in seeing a satellite view of what Chris Kwan was
talking about here it is:
>The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has placed satellite
>images of the fires in Indonesia on the World Wide Web. The images are
>from the Japanese geostationary satellite GMS-5 and from NOAA-14, a
>polar-orbiting environmental satellite.
>The World Wide Web address is:
>http://www.goes.noaa.gov/special.html
The pictures are quite spectacular and it gives you a qualitative idea of
the problem. It must be grim there!
George Greenly CCM, QEP
gsqrd@arn.net
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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:57:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org: Admin request: /^subject:\s*help\b/i (fwd)
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- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 14:26:22 -0400 (EDT)
To: iso14000@quality.org
From: Chris Riecker
Subject: Help! I need some information on ISO14000.
Hello,
I am an environmental student doing research on ISO14000 standards.
Currently I have very little information on the topic. I am hoping someone
can diect me to "BOOKS" and "WEDSITES" where I could get some formation. My
research is on the fudimentals of ISO14000, idustries accpetance to
ISO14000, comparing ISO14000 to other international standards, benfits to
industry in implementing ISO14000 etc.
Any information would help, currently I have very little.
Thank you, Chris Riecker.
Environmental Student
Fanshawe Colledge
cwrie13831@falcon.fanshawec.on.ca
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