iso14000-digest Thursday, December 4 1997 Volume 02 : Number 017
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Date: Wed, 26 Nov 1997 16:08:03 EST
From: "David L. Turner"
Subject: Re: facts and figures
It's not a race, and Europeans have had the driving forces
of EMAS, BS 7750, and harmonization pushing them longer
than the US has had ISO 14001. Also, after the ISO 9000
spasms of the recent past, people are a little more wary of
these things too. (Some thoughts on a nice windy day in
November right before a four day weekend.)
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Profit is the result and reward of
doing things right and doing the right
things. Therein lies the balance.
Randy Berger, Comdial Corporation
Regards,
David Turner
YSI Safety Coordinator
1725 Brannum Lane
Yellow Springs, Ohio 45387
Email: DTurner@YSI.com
Phone 1-937-767-1685 ext. 270
Facmetaphor: 1-937-767-9353
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Date: Thu, 27 Nov 97 18:07:40 +0000
From: richard@frey.demon.co.uk
Subject: Re: Supply chain pressures
Dear Stan,
There is not much sign of government supplier preference of this nature
yet, in the UK at least. There IS supply chain pressure from other
buyers, but there appears to be no consistency between industries. B&Q (
a retail home improvement supplier) rates all its supplier in terms of
their performance and demands improvement over time, but this is unusual,
as is its publishing of the overall results.
Supplier assessment questionnaires for quality purposes are common, with
environmental questions increasingly being added. Some companies report
marketing benefits resulting from certification, but there is no clear
picture yet. However, it seems likely that supply chain pressures will
increase. I know of one major construction project where the successful
bidder is quite certain his promise to implement an EMS for the civil
works won the bid.
Since your client is a printer, you may be interested in the experiences
of Beacon Press, a high-quality colour printer. They were written up in
the April '97 edition of 'Industrial Environmental Management', and
report more benefits in production than marketing. (A synopsis of this
article is included on my web page.) So long as your client goes for a
low-bureaucracy approach, it seems most unlikely that the costs would
exceed the benefits.
Best wishes,
Richard Frey
Frey Environmental Associates Limited
Specialists in the design and implementation of environmental management
systems.
http://www.frey.demon.co.uk
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:44:11 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [Gerardo Pani ] (fwd)
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 11:15:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Gerardo Pani
To: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: EAB
Dear subscribers,
I'm doing a thesis on environmental auditing. I would like to know if
you have ever listened anything about Environmental Advisory Board
(EAB).
It is a board that collects and represents the issues of the company' s
stakeholders concerning environment. I want to know if is it implemented
in some part of the world, or if it is only an accademic hypothesis.
Thank you.
Best regards.
Gerardo Pani
Italy
E-mail: piri@commnet.it
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 13:54:22
From: "Jup van 't Veld"
Subject: Re: Management Commitment
Teresa, Bert,
I agree with the arguments mentioned by Bert, which can be used to convince
management of the value of EMS/ISO. However, it is a rather defensive
approach: ISO14001 as a way of preventing legal risks.
I would complement this with the argument of cost benefits and
technological and organisational innovation. By now there are loads of
literature on the economic benefits of environmental measures and practices
(both in the short and the longer term).
EMS is nothing but a systematic improvement of these measures and
practices, and thus an important instrument for optimizing your business. A
certificate is nothing but an instrument of communication, and one of the
ways to check how your company is doing; it's strategic value depends on
the importance of external communication for the specific company.
Jup van 't Veld
Amsterdam (NL)
At 07:45 AM 11/18/97 -0800, you wrote:
>Teresa -
>
>You are correct that ISO 9000 is different from ISO 14000. The major (and
>most difference) is that ISO 9000 focus on quality issues and ISO 14000
>focuses on environmental matters. The two areas have markedly different
>legal aspects. Absent misrepresentations about products meeting
>specifications (e.g., ASTM) which would possible involve crimes such as
>mail fraud, most quality issues do not involve legal issues other than
>contract and warranty issues. Environmental matters, however, are usually
>intensely regulated by government agencies which often take a punitive
>approach to enforcement of violations. In addition, companies that violate
>environmental laws must deal with collateral issues other than enforcement.
> For instance, environmental problems can impede transactions involving
>business properties, lead to charges that securities laws have been
>violated (along with shareholder lawsuits), be enforced by environmental
>groups through citizen suits, and be used as leverage by labor organizations.
>
>It may appear to some managers that environmental issues are a mere
>sideshow and that extensive commitment is not necessary. However, the real
>concern for managers should be that environmental problems cause a lack of
>control over business operations. As noted above, labor and environmental
>interests can seize upon any kind of violation and use litigation and
>public comment (e.g., during the permitting process) to hamper, restrict,
>and delay business operations. Also, the penalties associated with
>environmental violations in the United States is often much larger than
>many managers realize and legal fees add to the cost further still. Many
>kinds of enforcement actions must be reported to the Securities and
>Exchange Commission and there have been several lawsuits filed against
>Boards of Directors after companies have settled with government agencies.
>[Note: Managers may want to reflect on how unpleasant these Directors acted
>toward the managers of their companies.] In addition, a reputation for
>noncompliance can lead to permitting delays and cause more intense scrutiny
>from environmental agencies and activist groups.
>
>What an environmental management system can give even managers who are not
>particularly enthralled by environmental issues is more control over the
>destinies of their enterprises. Such systems are useful because they help
>companies comply with complex and often ambiguous rules, ensure that
>reports and permit applications are submitted timely, and improve
>communication of environmental requirements throughout the company. The
>presence of an environmental management system also helps companies protect
>themselves against legal liabilities. Through a good system, management
>can avoid situations where most of the major business decisions must be
>approved by either the government, an activist group, or lawyers.
>
>In short, I would advise that you not give up on the management commitment
>issue. There are sound business reasons for developing environmental
>management systems other than corporate citizenship. I would suggest that
>any proposed system be developed in a manner that is sensitive to the
>corporate culture. For instance, if management is not into warm and
>flowery language, focus on drafting succinct and clear procedures for the
>hourly employees rather than grandiose policy statements [Note: ISO 14000
>requires such policies; but they do not have to be long and glorious.]
>Also, be persistent and if necessary build on smaller steps if management
>is initially unwilling to buy into full blown implementation.
>
>
>
>
>At 05:46 PM 11/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>We are currently in the pre-planning stage of ISO 14000. We do not have
>senior
>>management commitment. This is a reoccurring and rather inhibiting
issue of
>>our EMS implementation plan. While I realize the importance of executive
>>management commitment in the EMS process, I would rather channel my
focus to
>>gaining that commitment versus complaining about it. I am the ISO
14000
>>Coordinator at our facility and am trying to move us along so that we
>can be
>>certified 14001 by the end of 1998. We do have small pieces of an EMS,
>>nothing documented, in place. Has anyone had the luxury of gaining this
>>management commitment as the EMS process is being developed? In other words,
>>gained a reactive management to become proactive, as far as ISO 14000 is i
>>nvolved? Any words of wisdom especially for an EMS in the infancy stage?
>>lessons learned? Our facility is ISO 9001 certified and frankly I am
tried of
>>hearing how similar the process is with regards to 14000, with no proof.
I
>>realize that components such as document control and auditing may be
>similar ,
>>but people at least from my stand point are comparing Quality to the
>>Environment. I do not see any correlation Its apples to oranges as far
as I
>>am concerned. Can anyone help widen my narrow view, if it is possible??
>Any and
>>all help is greatly appreciated.
>>
>>Teresa Iaquinta
>>ISO 14000/ Safety Coordinator
>>e- mail address is teresa.iaquinta@usfla.mail.abb.com
>>
>>
>
>Bert P. Krages II
>Environmental Law and Mediation
>900 S.W. Fifth Avenue, Suite 1900
>Portland, Oregon 97204
>Law:
>Mediation:
>
>
Jup van 't Veld
Amsterdam (NL)
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 15:09:07 +0100
From: Jost.Hamschmidt@IWO.unisg.ch
Subject: ISO 14001 facts Switzerland - Monthly update
Dear subscribers,
a monthly updated list of all ISO 14001certified companies in Switzerland
is
available at our website at
http://www.unisg.ch/~iwoe/14001/14001.htm
Up to now, 135 swiss companies are certified (deadline 27.11.1997). One
astonishing statistical annotation: About 40 per cent of the certified
companies in Switzerland are small scale enterprises with less than 50
employees.
The list (excel-file, zip. format) contains the following data: Names and
locations of certified companies, EAC-Code, certified area, date of
certification, name of certification body.
The Website is in german language ;- ). It's a free service of the
Institute for Economy and the Environment at the University of St. Gallen,
Switzerland.
Regards
Jost
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Jost Hamschmidt - Research Assistant
University of St. Gallen
Institute for Economy and the Environment (IWOE-HSG) - Tigerbergstr. 2 -
CH-9000 St. Gallen
phone: 0041-(0)71-224-2595 http://www.unisg.ch/~iwoe/institut/jha.htm
fax: 0041-(0)71-224-2722 e-mail: jost.hamschmidt@iwo.unisg.ch
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:44:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [Gil Friend ] (fwd)
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:50:28 -0500 (EST)
To: Duncan Philips
From: Gil Friend
Subject: Re: facts and figures
Cc: iso14000@quality.org
At 5:27 PM +0000 11/26/97, Duncan Philips wrote:
>Here in the UK we have a monthly environmental journal called ENDS. In
>this months edition the following information was published;
>
>Up to the end of October 1997, there have been 2134 companies certified
>to ISO14001 worldwide. Of these, the following list shows the
>distribution across the countries with a reasonable number
>
>Ireland 26
>Finland 27
>Denmark 42
>USA 55
>Austria 60
>Sweden 78
>Switzerland 90
>Taiwan 98
>Korea 153
>Holland 230
>Germany 320
>Japan 425
>UK 440
>
>
>I think the only thing that stands out is how poorly the USA is doing!
>
>Any comments from anyone?
Alot of US companies seem to be taking a "wait and see" attitude; don't
feel the immediate pressure, not sure of the value. (Our advice to them:
build/improve your EMS anyway, design it so that it _could_ be certified if
you decide to down the road.)
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 20:25:26 -0500 (EST)
From: jorser@niagara.com (John Orser)
Subject: Re: Non-member submission from [Gil Friend ] (fwd)
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 17:50:28 -0500 (EST)
>To: Duncan Philips
>From: Gil Friend
>Subject: Re: facts and figures
>Cc: iso14000@quality.org
>
>>Here in the UK we have a monthly environmental journal called ENDS. In
>>this months edition the following information was published;
>>
>>Up to the end of October 1997, there have been 2134 companies certified
>>to ISO14001 worldwide. Of these, the following list shows the
>>distribution across the countries with a reasonable number
>>
>>Ireland 26
>>Finland 27
>>Denmark 42
>>USA 55
>>Austria 60
>>Sweden 78
>>Switzerland 90
>>Taiwan 98
>>Korea 153
>>Holland 230
>>Germany 320
>>Japan 425
>>UK 440
>>
>>I think the only thing that stands out is how poorly the USA is doing!
>>
>>Any comments from anyone?
>
>Alot of US companies seem to be taking a "wait and see" attitude; don't
>feel the immediate pressure, not sure of the value. (Our advice to them:
>build/improve your EMS anyway, design it so that it _could_ be certified if
>you decide to down the road.)
>*****************************************************************
>* Gil Friend & Associates Tel: 1-510-548-7904 *
>* Strategic Sustainability(tm) Fax: 1-510-849-2341 *
>* 48 Shattuck Square #103 Email: gfriend@eco-ops.com *
>* Berkeley CA 94704 http://www.eco-ops.com/eco-ops *
>*****************************************************************
>* Helping companies and communities prosper *
>* by embedding the laws of nature at the heart of enterprise *
>*****************************************************************
>* Strategic perspectives on business and environment: *
>* "New Bottom Line" archives http://www.eco-ops.com/eco-ops/nbl *
>* Free NBL subscription details - email to nbl-info@eco-ops.com *
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Canadian companies are either stuck in ISO 9000, QS 9000 or do not want to
commit to ISO 14000 until they see a need for it. When they need it, it
will be too late, because, as we know, certification is not an overnight
process for most companies. My advice, as Gil states above, is to start an
EMS even if ISO certification is too large a concept for you, but pattern
your EMS on the ISO standards. Then, down the road, when certification
becomes attractive for global marketing (and it will become attractive,
believe me), you will be ready to certify with little effort. Come on,
Canada, let us not drag our feet as usual. It is to late to be leaders, but
we can be among the early followers.
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Business Contact: Orser Environmental & Safety Inc.
195 King St., Suite 204, St. Catharines Ontario, Canada
(905) 688-0500 Fax 688-4746 E-mail: jorser@niagara.com
Sent from residence.
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Date: Wed, 03 Dec 1997 21:15:08 -0500
From: Benchmark Environmental Consulting
Subject: ISO uptake
Re: the conversation about strategically getting "ready" for ISO 14001:
I have just finished a report for USAID-USAEP called Global Environmental
Management: Candid Views from the Fortune 500. This can be obtained free by
sending a request to swilliams@usaep.org
The report is a survey of 30 global companies, mainly US-based. We asked
them how they are going about global EMSs, and what they are doing on supply
chain environmental management. In both cases we then asked what the role of
ISO 14001 is.
The findings were that global companies already have EMSs in place that
exceed ISO 14001 in all substantive elements. They have all done gap
analyses in case ISO 14001 becomes a market requirement, in which case they
know what they need to do to fill the gaps. But in the meantime none of them
are getting customer requirements for certification. So what they are doing
is focussing on customised EMS implementation of the "smart parts" of ISO
14001. They are uninterested in certification. This is an internal EMS
issue, not a market issue.
There are some areas (sectors, regions) where some companies are
experiencing requirements for certificication. Strategic views of one
company sometimes contradict the strategic views of another. Read the report
for more information.
As regards supply chain environmental management (the "customer
requirement") what was truly intruiging is that the survey respondents are
all trying to solve this problem but NONE mentioned ISO 14001 as a tool. So
we have a paradox -- we are being told that ISO will become a customer
requirement but customers are trying to manage their suply chains to
mitigate risk and get compliance, and after that better environmental
performance) and are developing tools outside of ISO 14001. Most notably,
the computer industry has developed a supplier management tool in parallel
to ISO 14001 and did not try to integrate it.
For this work and other work Benchmark is doing on ISO 14001 and EMSs,
please visit our website.
Riva Krut, Director
Benchmark Environmental Consulting
350 Main Street
White Plains, NY 10601
tel: 914-422-2655 fax: 914-422-2656
email: benchmark@mindspring.com
web site: www.mindspring.com/~benchmark
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 09:45:06 -0500
From: "Craig M. Carpenter"
Subject: [Fwd: facts and figures]
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Duncan Philips wrote:
> Here in the UK we have a monthly environmental journal called ENDS.
> In
> this months edition the following information was published;
>
> Up to the end of October 1997, there have been 2134 companies
> certified
> to ISO14001 worldwide. Of these, the following list shows the
> distribution across the countries with a reasonable number
>
> Ireland 26
> Finland 27
> Denmark 42
> USA 55
> Austria 60
> Sweden 78
> Switzerland 90
> Taiwan 98
> Korea 153
> Holland 230
> Germany 320
> Japan 425
> UK 440
>
> I think the only thing that stands out is how poorly the USA is doing!
>
> Any comments from anyone?
>
> Duncan
>
> --
> Duncan Philips
> e-mail to: Duncan@genesis2.demon.co.uk
> http://www.genesis2.demon.co.uk/index.html
Why is this concerning. In the US, there is not a lot of pressure to
become registered ISO14001. I think it is safe to say that there are
many companies in the US that have or are developing environmental
management systems. Whether they are ISO registered or not may be a
point of contention for this group. However, environmental performance
is the key parameter and it is steadily improving in the US as indicated
by various data including air quality, water quality, hazardous waste
generation rates, etc. We should not get hung up on the means, only the
results.
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 22:29:38 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [CHRIS KWAN ] (fwd)
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 01:56:33 -0500 (EST)
From: CHRIS KWAN
To: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: ISO 14000 for Ships ?
HI,
l am currently working on the problem to reduce collisions for oil
tankers around the straits of malacca which are surrounded by three
countries , Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore. One of the suggestion is
to equip the ships with enhanced navigation systems such as GPS etc. This
is not a new idea and radar technology has been around for years. l am
trying to extend by using the good name of ISO 14000 to ships so that
they will hopefully use such systems and lessen the danger of collision
thus avoiding oil pollution and spillage into the marine environment.
Obviously the overall benefit is that the ships themselves would be
environmentally efficient. The cause of oil spill is many and includes
"reckless" and human error etc which no system in the world can fix save
an autopilot scheme which is the goal of this project. So l am thinking
is whether the ISO regime can be extend to ships and how can we approach
ship users the benefits of such qualifications ? l know that insurance
companies are willing to look into reducing the premium if one can
evidence lower accident rates. But how to promote the ISO especially for
ships going to Japan and Europe ? It will be a start if ISO includes
Ships ? Any comments most welcome. Cheers
Chris Kwan
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 18:52:04 +1000
From: Kay Meadows
Subject: Ships
Chris Kwan wrote about extending ISO14001 to ships. Is there any reason
why the organisation owning the ship can't get a site (i.e. a ship)
certified. If you can certify a power station, or a liquid waste plant,
why not a ship? Maybe there are some spinoffs in terms of port
authorities, or marketing spinoffs.
Kay Meadows
Australia
Email: kmeadows@iaccess.com.au
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 12:46:15 +0000
From: adc@aber.ac.uk (Adrian Carter)
Subject: ISO14001 uptake
It is sometimes said that ISO14001 is set to follow the uptake pattern of the
ISO9000 standards. Does anyone know where I might found out how many
companies worldwide have taken up a ISO9000 standard (approximately)?
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Adrian Carter
EIA Unit, Institute of Biological Sciences,
University of Wales, Aberystwyth, Ceredigion, SY23 3DA
Tel: 01970 621828
Email: adc@aber.ac.uk
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Date: Tue, 02 Dec 1997 14:14:50 +0000
From: Matthias Gelber
Subject: Re: ISO 14001 case studies
Dear Susan
A book called "Environmental Management in Asia, A Guide To ISO 14000"
containes a couple of Asian ISO 14001 case stuides which might be of
interest to you.
You can get more information on the book from the WEB site of AET (Asian
Environmental Trader):
http://www.asianenviro.com
or contact them by the following Email address:
AET_LTD@classic.msn.com
Hope this information is of use to you.
Matthias Gelber
> Does anyone have information on ISO 14000 and its implementation in a
> Third World firm? I am attempting to investigate the pros and cons of iso
> 14000 in non-western settings.
> I would appreciate any and all information.
>
> Thank You,
> Susan S. Raines
> School of Public and Environmental Affairs
> Indiana University
> sraines@indiana.edu
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Date: Wed, 3 Dec 1997 03:22:02 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [Potter at Island Resources Foundation ] (fwd)
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Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:00:41 -0500 (EST)
To: CHRIS KWAN
From: Potter at Island Resources Foundation
Subject: Re: ISO 14000 for Ships ?
Cc: iso14000@quality.org, "Dr. Towle "
Chris --
Challenging subject -- Some quick observations --
The cheapest radar is 20 (TWENTY) times more costly to acquire, and even
more expensive to maintain. than are basic GPS navigation units. If the
vessels most at risk know enough navigation, AND you can figure how to get
RELIABLE WAYPOINTS to them, the basic navigation GPS cost less than $200
and could help solve the navigation problem.
Talk to Mobil Oil, which puts several LNG tankers every month into the
Straits from their Gas Field at Aceh, Sumatra. What technologies do they
find most cost-efective for risk minimization?
(I would add that the last I knew, those tankers had single engines for ALL
power and single propellers--that would seem to be a recipe for disaster,
and I heard stories about an engine failure off the coast of the
Phillippines that was repaired only a short while before gas would have
started to vaporize.)
My personal guess--story above notwithstanding--is that the problem is less
one of "systems" employed by big corporate vessels (ISO 14000, IMO, or
whatever), and more the "cowboy" pilots and captains on
smaller/older/less-capable vessels engaged in regional trade. Also, wasn't
there a story a few months ago about a ship hi-jacking where the crew was
tied-up and the ship left steaming off into the Northwest -- crew got
untied as the ship was nearing the Andaman Islands, as I recall.
Anyone want to sign-up for doing the ISO 14000 certifications for Malay
pirates?
Seriously, Island Resources Foundation would be interested in other
responses to Chris's query, since vessel collision risk is high in many
areas where there are small tropical islands, especially the Caribbean,
where we combine lots of petroleum tanker traffic with most of the world's
large cruise ships.
best wishes
bruce potter for island resources foundation
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>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 01:56:33 -0500 (EST)
>From: CHRIS KWAN
>To: iso14000@quality.org
>Subject: ISO 14000 for Ships ?
>
>HI,
>
>l am currently working on the problem to reduce collisions for oil
>tankers around the straits of malacca which are surrounded by three
>countries , Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore. One of the suggestion is
>to equip the ships with enhanced navigation systems such as GPS etc. This
>is not a new idea and radar technology has been around for years. l am
>trying to extend by using the good name of ISO 14000 to ships so that
>they will hopefully use such systems and lessen the danger of collision
>thus avoiding oil pollution and spillage into the marine environment.
>Obviously the overall benefit is that the ships themselves would be
>environmentally efficient. The cause of oil spill is many and includes
>"reckless" and human error etc which no system in the world can fix save
>an autopilot scheme which is the goal of this project. So l am thinking
>is whether the ISO regime can be extend to ships and how can we approach
>ship users the benefits of such qualifications ? l know that insurance
>companies are willing to look into reducing the premium if one can
>evidence lower accident rates. But how to promote the ISO especially for
>ships going to Japan and Europe ? It will be a start if ISO includes
>Ships ? Any comments most welcome. Cheers
>
>
>Chris Kwan
>
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Date: 4 Dec 97 10:27:28
From: "eric.mugnier"
Subject: Re: facts and figures
The situation in France is changing rapidly : up to the 1st of december 97, 59
companies have been certified to ISO 14001, compared to around 25 this summer...
Eric Mugnier
email: eric.mugnier @ arthurandersen.com
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 1997 15:51:46 +0100
From: Joel Tetard
Subject: Re: facts and figures
eric.mugnier wrote :
> The situation in France is changing rapidly : up to the 1st of december 97, 59
> companies have been certified to ISO 14001, compared to around 25 this summer...
>
> Eric Mugnier
>
> email: eric.mugnier @ arthurandersen.com
Hi Eric
Could you give me your sources, please ?
About one year ago, certified compagnies were been said to be about 10. What a
fantatstic growing rate !...
Many thanks for this information.
Joel Tetard
(P.S. Merci de transmettre mon amical souvenir a Georges et Paul, anciens comme moi
de SRI .)
ALKAEST Conseil
20 rue de la Libération
F92500 Rueil-Malmaison
Tel : (+33) 01 41 96 90 70
Fax : (+33) 01 41 96 90 71
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Date: Thu, 04 Dec 97 22:55:22 PST
From: "Taran Hewitt"
Subject: Re: Non-member submission from [Potter at Island Resources Foundation ] (fwd)
Hi Chris,
I believe that the whole subject of vessel safety and potential environmental risks is well addressed by the new International Safety Management (ISM) code that is now formally a part of SOLAS Regulations.
The Code is mandatory for oil tankers etc. by July 1998, and many companies are already taking the necessary steps to get registration.
If you want to find out more about this Code, what it involves and how ships and shipping companies become registered, I suggest that you contact your nearest office of one of the major ship classification societies such as Lloyds Register.
If you need more help please get back to me direct (ampnteal@vaxxine.com)
Regards,
Taran Hewitt
14000 International, St.Catharines, Ontario, Canada
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 1997 13:00:41 -0500 (EST)
> To: CHRIS KWAN
> From: Potter at Island Resources Foundation
> Subject: Re: ISO 14000 for Ships ?
> Cc: iso14000@quality.org, "Dr. Towle "
>
>
> Chris --
>
> Challenging subject -- Some quick observations --
>
> The cheapest radar is 20 (TWENTY) times more costly to acquire, and even
> more expensive to maintain. than are basic GPS navigation units. If the
> vessels most at risk know enough navigation, AND you can figure how to get
> RELIABLE WAYPOINTS to them, the basic navigation GPS cost less than $200
> and could help solve the navigation problem.
>
> Talk to Mobil Oil, which puts several LNG tankers every month into the
> Straits from their Gas Field at Aceh, Sumatra. What technologies do they
> find most cost-efective for risk minimization?
> (I would add that the last I knew, those tankers had single engines for ALL
> power and single propellers--that would seem to be a recipe for disaster,
> and I heard stories about an engine failure off the coast of the
> Phillippines that was repaired only a short while before gas would have
> started to vaporize.)
>
> My personal guess--story above notwithstanding--is that the problem is less
> one of "systems" employed by big corporate vessels (ISO 14000, IMO, or
> whatever), and more the "cowboy" pilots and captains on
> smaller/older/less-capable vessels engaged in regional trade. Also, wasn't
> there a story a few months ago about a ship hi-jacking where the crew was
> tied-up and the ship left steaming off into the Northwest -- crew got
> untied as the ship was nearing the Andaman Islands, as I recall.
>
> Anyone want to sign-up for doing the ISO 14000 certifications for Malay
> pirates?
>
> Seriously, Island Resources Foundation would be interested in other
> responses to Chris's query, since vessel collision risk is high in many
> areas where there are small tropical islands, especially the Caribbean,
> where we combine lots of petroleum tanker traffic with most of the world's
> large cruise ships.
>
> best wishes
>
> bruce potter for island resources foundation
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 01:56:33 -0500 (EST)
> >From: CHRIS KWAN
> >To: iso14000@quality.org
> >Subject: ISO 14000 for Ships ?
> >
> >HI,
> >
> >l am currently working on the problem to reduce collisions for oil
> >tankers around the straits of malacca which are surrounded by three
> >countries , Malaysia, Indonesia and Singapore. One of the suggestion is
> >to equip the ships with enhanced navigation systems such as GPS etc. This
> >is not a new idea and radar technology has been around for years. l am
> >trying to extend by using the good name of ISO 14000 to ships so that
> >they will hopefully use such systems and lessen the danger of collision
> >thus avoiding oil pollution and spillage into the marine environment.
> >Obviously the overall benefit is that the ships themselves would be
> >environmentally efficient. The cause of oil spill is many and includes
> >"reckless" and human error etc which no system in the world can fix save
> >an autopilot scheme which is the goal of this project. So l am thinking
> >is whether the ISO regime can be extend to ships and how can we approach
> >ship users the benefits of such qualifications ? l know that insurance
> >companies are willing to look into reducing the premium if one can
> >evidence lower accident rates. But how to promote the ISO especially for
> >ships going to Japan and Europe ? It will be a start if ISO includes
> >Ships ? Any comments most welcome. Cheers
> >
> >
> >Chris Kwan
> >
> >-----------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >Lecturer in Environmental Law & Finance Tel: 603-7594602 (OPER)
> >Institute of Postgraduate Studies and Research Tel: 603-7594410 (DL)
> >
> >Uni Malaya, 50603 Kuala Lumpur Fax: 603-7594606
> >Malaysia Email: Worsite@geocities.com
> >
> > Email: h1kwan@umcsd.um.edu.my
> >
> >Project WORSITE: http://members.tripod.com/~WORSITE/wos.htm
> >Project LOSTWORLD : http://members.tripod.com/~MELIAU/meli.htm
> >
> >
>
>
>
> >--< 25 Years of Environmental Service to Small Tropical Islands >--<
>
> Island Resources Foundation |+|Island Resources Foundation
> 6296 Estate Nazareth, No. 11 |+|1718 "P" Street NW, Suite T-4
> St. Thomas, VI 00802-1104 |+|Washington, DC 20036
> phone 340/775-6225,fax 779-2022 |+|phone 202/265-9712,fax 232-0748
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