iso14000-digest Monday, March 23 1998 Volume 02 : Number 030
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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 22:28:03 -0500
From: Diana Baldi
Subject: RE: Looking for auditor course
RAB-ANSI has accredited several course providers for40 hour EMS advanced
lead auditor courses. I believe the list is nearly to 10 already. They
will provide the list upon request. You can e-mail them at rab@rabnet.com
Diana Baldi
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:39:45 GMT-0300
From: "Macarena Ortega"
Subject: Consulting-Certtification Companies
Dear Friends:
I need to know if there exists some companies who gives the services
of implementation and certification of EMS or ISO 14000 at the same
time. Is this possible?? How they operate being "judge and part"??
Thank you,
********************************
Macarena Ortega
Marine Resources Department
Fundacion Chile
Phone: +56-2-2400300
Fax: +56-2-2419389
Http://www.fundch.cl
e-mail: mortega@fundch.cl
********************************
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:17:01 EST
From: VGISO14000
Subject: Re: Consulting-Certtification Companies
Dear Macarena;
You touched a fairly hot topic here.
In my eyes there is no doubt that registrars and consultants should be
independent. There is a definite conflict of interest if somebody does both
sides. Some organizations separate their consulting and certification services
in different companies or different names, however they still are the same.
For me a certification done by "consulting registrars" is fairly dubious and I
would say it is not worth the paper it's written on.
In the US, I think there is only one registrar (Perry Johnson) who does both.
As PJ has one of the worst reputations in the market, we don't even have to
talk about that.
Other opinions???
Yours truly,
Rainer Ochsenkuehn
President
Environmental Management Systems, Inc.
A division of The Victoria Group, Inc.
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:06:30 +0200
From: "Hendrik J Bosman"
Subject: Re: Consulting-Certtification Companies
Collegues,
A very contentious and possible heated argument may arise from this ;-))
I agree with the principle that the registar and the consultant auditor
should not be the same person even trading as two companies.
What I can see as a viable moral and justifiable option is that the same
person/company can be the registar to one company and the consulting auditor
to another company. I instances like that there can never be a conflict of
interest. The conflict only arise when one person/company tries to be all
and everything to one company. It is my personal view that a person/company
who does that is most probably grossly incompetent and thus being the
registar and the consulting auditor will hide the fact of incompetency.
What also may be true is that a company with something to hide, like most
have, will willfully hire a registar/consulting auditor company which will
be willing to hide a few things.
Blessed Greetings,
Hendrik
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Hendrik J Bosman Pr.Sci.Nat
Consulting Eco Geologist
GeoEnviron cc & EnviroSoft(tm)
Environmental & Related Software Center
Private Bag X01
Betty`s Bay 7141
South Africa
Int'l Tel/Fax: +27-2823-28571
Local Tel/Fax: 02823-28571
Web Pages: http://www.africa.com/pages/geo/
- -----Original Message-----
From: VGISO14000
To: mortega@fundch.cl ; iso14000@quality.org
Date: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Consulting-Certtification Companies
>Dear Macarena;
>
>You touched a fairly hot topic here.
>
>In my eyes there is no doubt that registrars and consultants should be
>independent. There is a definite conflict of interest if somebody does both
>sides. Some organizations separate their consulting and certification
services
>in different companies or different names, however they still are the same.
>For me a certification done by "consulting registrars" is fairly dubious
and I
>would say it is not worth the paper it's written on.
>
>In the US, I think there is only one registrar (Perry Johnson) who does
both.
>As PJ has one of the worst reputations in the market, we don't even have to
>talk about that.
>
>Other opinions???
>
>Yours truly,
>
>Rainer Ochsenkuehn
>President
>Environmental Management Systems, Inc.
>A division of The Victoria Group, Inc.
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:49:54 -0700
From: Chris Watson
Subject: Re: Consulting-Certtification Companies
>Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:25:33 -0700
>To: "Macarena Ortega"
>From: Chris Watson
>Subject: Re: Consulting-Certtification Companies
>
>Dear Ms. Ortega:
>
>Specifically to answer your question, ISO/IEC Guide 62 outlines the
structure (essentially the ground rules) for the Registrar as follows:
>
>Section 2.1.2 Structure, (o)
>
>"ensure that activities of related bodies do not affect the
confidentiality, objectivity, or impartiality of its
certifications/registrations and shall not offer to provide:
>
>1) those services that it certifies/registers others to perform;
>
>2) consulting services to obtain or maintain certification/registration;
>
>3) services to design, implement or maintain EMS or related management
systems.
>
>Assistance in comprehending section 2.1.2 IAF Guidance to ISO/IEC Guide 62
(Issue 1 - June 1997) states the following regarding the actions of a registrar:
>
>G.2.1.22 Consultancy is considered to be participation in an active
creative manner in the development of the EMS to be assessed by, for example:
>
>a) preparing or producing manuals, handbooks or procedures;
>
>b) participating in the decision making process regarding management system
matter;
>
>c) giving specific advice towards the development and implementation of
management systems for eventual certification/registration.
>
>
>In addition, Accreditation bodies that I am familiar with, such as ANSI-RAB
NAP, SCC and RVA, have their own guiding documents which specifically
prohibit the Registrar from acting as a consultancy and a Registrar of
management systems.
>
>This all makes sense, since, I'm sure you would agree, that an organization
that develops and assists in the implementation of the management system
would find it difficult to be totally objective in their assessment of its
conformance with the standard?
>
>We would all like to believe that the tools to make such an objective
decision are in the hands of very competent professionals, but we also know
that it is very difficult, if not impossible, to objectively assess a system
that you or your close colleagues (i.e. have the same overall management
system philosophy) have developed and helped implement. That is not to say
that an auditor would purposely ignore a non-conformance, more that he would
not necessarily see the non-conformance due to the belief that the system
implemented by the client is sound.
>
>I hope this helps - and I look forward to the many and varied responses to
your question!
>
>At 11:39 AM 3/10/98 GMT-0300, you wrote:
>>Dear Friends:
>>
>>I need to know if there exists some companies who gives the services
>>of implementation and certification of EMS or ISO 14000 at the same
>>time. Is this possible?? How they operate being "judge and part"??
>>
>>Thank you,
>>********************************
>>Macarena Ortega
>>Marine Resources Department
>>Fundacion Chile
>>Phone: +56-2-2400300
>>Fax: +56-2-2419389
>>Http://www.fundch.cl
>>e-mail: mortega@fundch.cl
>>********************************
>>
>>
>
Regards,
Chris
Chris D. Watson P.Geol, CEA
Environmental Coordinator
Quality Certification Bureau Inc.
(403) 217-1610 (Phone)
(403) 217-1585 (Fax)
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 16:57:24 -0500
From: "Connie G. Ritzert"
Subject: RE: Consulting-Certtification Companies
Macarena:
You are wise to see the problems that could come from the same company
consulting on how to implement ISO 14001 and then serving as the "judge" (
that is, the auditor for certification). This would be a "conflict of
interest". Under the accreditation programs in the countries with which
I am familiar, a company which acts as a Registrar
( certifying conformance to the standard) cannot act as a consultant on
EMS for the same organization. The independence and integrity of the
Registrar must be maintained in order to have a credible system for
achieving certification. The Registrars that I know will tell you that and
will not attempt to do both.
There is another reason to use a consultant, not a Registrar, to assist in
developing and implementing your ISO 14001 EMS. You probably want not only
an EMS which can be certified to ISO 14001, but also an EMS that really
functions well for your organization and perhaps accomplishes some things
not specifically related to certification. A person who specializes in
developing environmental management systems - not specifically in auditing
for certification - should be able to give you better advice and assistance
in building the best system for you. Registrars and auditors can provide a
useful "check" on the system, but are not necessarily the best suited to
build one.
Good luck!
Connie Glover Ritzert critzert@fyi.net
Meredith-EMC environmental management consulting
- -----Original Message-----
From: Macarena Ortega [SMTP:mortega@fundch.cl]
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 1998 6:40 AM
To: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: Consulting-Certtification Companies
Dear Friends:
I need to know if there exists some companies who gives the services
of implementation and certification of EMS or ISO 14000 at the same
time. Is this possible?? How they operate being "judge and part"??
Thank you,
********************************
Macarena Ortega
Marine Resources Department
Fundacion Chile
Phone: +56-2-2400300
Fax: +56-2-2419389
Http://www.fundch.cl
e-mail: mortega@fundch.cl
********************************
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Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:46:22 -0500
From: HY BRAVERMAN
Subject: Re: Consulting-Certtification Companies
Participants:
Once an EMS is on the drawing board, the Information systems should be
designed in parallel. It should be integrated into the existing
Information Management system.
With similar detailed design, an environmental information management
system is critical for the EMS to be successful. From the mailroom to
the boardroom, from receiving to shipping and everything in between, an
information system that knows about environmental management
requirements are key success factors.
Who out there have taken into consideration the information requirements
of an EMS/ISO14K/EMAS/BS7750, etc....? I would welcome comments,
criticisms and suggestions.
Thank You
Hy Braverman
emai: braveman@ziplink.net
On TC207/ISO, AWMA in Connecticut and Environmental Justice work
groups. Robust background in Information Technology, computer sales
service & a certificate in Environmental Management. MS in Industrial
Technology, BS in Marketing.
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:12:05 GMT-0300
From: "Macarena Ortega"
Subject: (Fwd) Consultancy & Certification
- ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From: Self
To: Sally.Goodman@dnv.com
Subject: Consultancy & Certification
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:02:00 GMT-0300
Dear Sally:
Your response is very clear, but I have a question: Is possible that
a company who gives the services of implementation and certification
gives the implementation service to one enterprise and the
certification to another?? This will be a solution for the company??
Kind regards,
Maca
********************************
Macarena Ortega
Marine Resources Department
Fundacion Chile
Phone: +56-2-2400300
Fax: +56-2-2419389
Http://www.fundch.cl
e-mail: mortega@fundch.cl
********************************
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:55:42 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Submission from [Rick Gehrke ] (fwd)
NOTE: Respond *both* to the poster's address (see BELOW line reading
"Forwarded Message") and to the list's posting address, NOT to me.
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Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:19:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Rick Gehrke
To: Macarena Ortega
CC: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: Re: Consulting-Certtification Companies
Macarena Ortega wrote:
> Dear Friends:
>
> I need to know if there exists some companies who gives the services
> of implementation and certification of EMS or ISO 14000 at the same
> time. Is this possible?? How they operate being "judge and part"??
>
> Thank you,
> ********************************
> Macarena Ortega
> Marine Resources Department
> Fundacion Chile
> Phone: +56-2-2400300
> Fax: +56-2-2419389
> Http://www.fundch.cl
> e-mail: mortega@fundch.cl
> ********************************
Dear Macarena:
Here are some of the rules governing ISO 14001 registrars. Under the
ANSI-RAB National Accreditation Program (U.S.) for ISO 14001 registrars,
an accredited EMS registrar is not allowed to offer or provide:
services that it registers others to perform;
to organizations being registered by them, consulting services to obtain
or maintain registration;
to organizations being registered by them, services to design, implement
or maintain environmental management systems.
Furthermore, registrars under the ANSI-RAB NAP are not permitted to
suggest or indicate that registration will be simpler, easier, or less
expensive if any specified consultancy services are used.
Registrars under the ANSI-RAB NAP are required to ensure that their
client organizations are not given the impression that the use of both
registration and consultancy would bring any business advantages to the
client.
Registrars under the ANSI-RAB NAP are not permitted to market
consultancy services and registration together, or indicate in any
marketing material written or oral, to give the impression that the two
activities are linked.
Registrars under the ANSI-RAB NAP also must require related bodies and
those who perform audits on the registrar's behalf to comply with the
above referenced specification regarding marketing of consultancy
services.
You can call the Registrar Accreditation Board and ask for a copy of
ANSI-RAB NAP Criteria for Bodies Operating Registration of Environmental
Management Systems, E3.1, which includes the rules mentioned above.
I've posted this message in response to the thread that's been running
on this discussion list for a couple of days now.
The short answer to your latest question is that, yes, a registrar can
help one company implement and another one to certify, but it is not
permitted to do both implementation and certification for the same
company. Some of the accredited EMS registrars have set up consulting
"divisions", and may be in violation of some of the above mentioned
rules, at least with regards to the way they advertise their services.
This is something you may want to discuss with their accrediting body
before you select them as a registrar. I hope this helps you!
- --
Rick Gehrke
VP Operations
AWM ISO 14000 Registration Services
http://www.awm.net
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:27:00 +0800
From: Benny Lam
Subject: [B] HELP
HELP, I want to know how to apply
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:39:41 +0800
From: Benny Lam
Subject: Apply
apply
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:02:55 -0500 (EST)
From: Johan Verburg & Simone Goosen
Subject: consultancy?
Hi all
Following the question on combining consultancy and certification services,
we had interesting quotes from the applicable guides for bodies providing
certification.
I understand that within these rules a certification body may still provide
consultancy services to one client and certification services to another.
This seems to fit the need in the market to learn from people who actually
perform certification audits, how to implement a system conforming to all
the ins and outs of the ISO 14001 standard. On the other side, some
certification bodies find those who have actually worked on implementing
EMSs the best auditors, with a realistic understanding of "translations" of
the standard to business reality.
What remains unclear to me is how in practice these guides are interpreted
with regards to services that are not directly falling in the category of
consultancy. I am particularly thinking about all sorts of training and
training programs.
Short: can a registrar provide trainings and certification to the same client?
Looking forward to your views and experiences.
Johan Verburg
Environmental management advisor.
*************************************
Johan Verburg & Simone Goosen
Mauritius
sgjv@intnet.mu
*************************************
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:00:04 -0800
From: "Bert P. Krages"
Subject: Training, awareness, and competence
Section A4.2 of Annex A of ISO 14001 states that:
leftManagement should determine the level of
experience, competence and training necessary to ensure the capability of
personel, especially those carrying out specialized environmental
management functions.
To the best of my knowledge, this is the only provision of
ISO 14000 that explicitly addresses a management duty to determine the
qualifications of persons with environmental responsibilities. My
questions to the list are whether any of you have (1) actually seen
formal determinations by management of employee qualifications or (2)
observed instances where the qualifications of existing staff were
deemed to be inadequate with respect to ISO 14001 requirements.
In addition, considering that section A.4.2 is contained in an annex, I
would appreciate any thoughts as to whether ISO 14001 mandates formal
management assessments of employee qualifications needed to carry out
environmental duties.
Thanks.
Bert P. Krages II
Environmental Law and Mediation
900 S.W. Fifth Avenue, Suite 1900
Portland, Oregon 97204
Law: <
Mediation: <
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Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:31:51 -0700
From: Chris Watson
Subject: Re: consultancy?
In answer to your question the following except from ISO/IEC Guide 62,
Section 2.1.2 Structure, (o) (3) Note 3 and the IAF Guidance to that clause
Section G.2.1.23 (b) and G.2.1.22 (c) may provide some light on the
distinction for training courses.
Section 2.1.2 Structure, (o)
"ensure that activities of related bodies do not affect the confidentiality,
objectivity, or impartiality of its certifications/registrations and shall
not offer to provide:
1) those services that it certifies/registers others to perform;
2) consulting services to obtain or maintain certification/registration;
3) services to design, implement or maintain EMS or related management
systems (see Note 3).
Note 3 is as follows:
Other products, processes or services may be offered, directly or
indirectly, provided they do not compromise confidentiallity or the
objectivity or impartiality of its certification/registration process and
decisions.
Assistance in comprehending section 2.1.2 (o) (3) Note 3 can be found in
the IAF Guidance to this clause, G.2.1.23:
Certification/registration bodies can carry out the following duties without
them being considered as consultantcy or having a potential conflict of
interest:
b) arranging and participating as a lecturer in training courses, provided
that where these courses relate to environmental management, related
management systems or auditing they should confine themselves to the
provision of generic information and advice which is freely available in the
public domain, i.e. they should not provide company specific advice which
contravenes the requirements of G.2.1.22 (c)
And G.2.1.22 (c) states as follows:
c) giving specific advice towards the development and implementation of
management systems for eventual certification/registration>
Hope this helps!!
Chris
At 11:02 AM 3/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi all
>
>Following the question on combining consultancy and certification services,
>we had interesting quotes from the applicable guides for bodies providing
>certification.
>
>I understand that within these rules a certification body may still provide
>consultancy services to one client and certification services to another.
>This seems to fit the need in the market to learn from people who actually
>perform certification audits, how to implement a system conforming to all
>the ins and outs of the ISO 14001 standard. On the other side, some
>certification bodies find those who have actually worked on implementing
>EMSs the best auditors, with a realistic understanding of "translations" of
>the standard to business reality.
>
>What remains unclear to me is how in practice these guides are interpreted
>with regards to services that are not directly falling in the category of
>consultancy. I am particularly thinking about all sorts of training and
>training programs.
>
>Short: can a registrar provide trainings and certification to the same client?
>
>Looking forward to your views and experiences.
>
>Johan Verburg
>Environmental management advisor.
>
>*************************************
>Johan Verburg & Simone Goosen
>Mauritius
>sgjv@intnet.mu
>*************************************
>
>
>
Regards,
Chris
Chris D. Watson P.Geol, CEA
Environmental Coordinator
Quality Certification Bureau Inc.
(403) 217-1610 (Phone)
(403) 217-1585 (Fax)
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:14:23 -0500
From: Todd_Johnson@dai.com
Subject: Re: consultancy?
ISO 14010:1996 4.2 is clear: "In order to ensure the objectivity of the
audit process and its findings and any conclusions, the members of the
audit team should be independent of the activities they audit. They should
be objective, and free from bias and conflict of interest throughout the
process."
In the case of registration audits, this implies no prior business
relationship of any kind between the audit team members and the
organization undergoing a third-party registration audit. Even if the
Standards themselves do not express it this strongly, it seems that any
reputable auditor would simply recommend a colleague if asked to audit an
organization with which she/he has any kind of prior business or personal
relationship. The fees gained on that one job would be a pittance compared
to the down side of a dirty reputation -- deserved or not.
This would not, I believe, prevent any full-service consulting company from
providing EMS development, training, and registration services, as long as
the registration audits were not done with prior clients and no audit team
members had done work for that client.
Todd R. Johnson
Development Alternatives, Inc.
Quezon City, Philippines
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:13:42 -0500
From: "Connie G. Ritzert"
Subject: RE: Training, awareness, and competence
Reply to Bert Krages Re: training & competence
My take on the subject raised in your March 12 posting;
1. Since the cited clause is in the Annex (A.4.2), it can not add any
requirements to the specification. The Annex only clarifies, it does not
expand requirements.
2. There are requirements in the main body of the specification, however,
that bear on this point. Clause 4.4.2 requires that "the organization"
ensure that personnel in functions which may have a significant
environmental impact are "competent" based on "appropriate education,
training and/or experience". Further, the organization must establish a
requirement that personnel in those critical functions have received the
"appropriate training". Since "management" is responsible for directing
the organization, we can read this to be a management responsibility. In
order to fulfill this obligation for "appropriate" training and ensuring
competence based on "appropriate" education, training, an/or experience,
it follows that the organization (management) will need to determine what
is appropriate and what constitutes competence for its particular functions
and tasks.
The subject of how one should approach the definition of "competence" is a
tricky one, indeed. As in many other areas, this is one in which the
standard intentionally leaves us with flexibility. Perhaps this group
would like to compare notes on experience in that area.
Connie Glover Ritzert critzert@fyi.net
Meredith-EMC environmental management consulting
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bert P. Krages [SMTP:krages@teleport.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 3:00 PM
To: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: Training, awareness, and competence
Section A4.2 of Annex A of ISO 14001 states that:
leftManagement should determine the level of
experience, competence and training necessary to ensure the capability of
personel, especially those carrying out specialized environmental
management functions.
To the best of my knowledge, this is the only provision of
ISO 14000 that explicitly addresses a management duty to determine the
qualifications of persons with environmental responsibilities. My
questions to the list are whether any of you have (1) actually seen
formal determinations by management of employee qualifications or (2)
observed instances where the qualifications of existing staff were
deemed to be inadequate with respect to ISO 14001 requirements.
In addition, considering that section A.4.2 is contained in an annex, I
would appreciate any thoughts as to whether ISO 14001 mandates formal
management assessments of employee qualifications needed to carry out
environmental duties.
Thanks.
Bert P. Krages II
Environmental Law and Mediation
900 S.W. Fifth Avenue, Suite 1900
Portland, Oregon 97204
Law: <
Mediation: <
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:08:56 +0800
From: Benny Lam
Subject: [B] Register of Legislation
Dear all,
I am now starting to setup ISO14000.
I know that I should establish and maintain a procedure to
deal with the legislative requirement.
Refer to some books, I can see some forms like
"Register of Regulations",
"Register of environmental effects"
"Register of Legislative Requirements"
"Control and Monitoring Manual"
My question is:
1. Is it necessary to set up this kinds of form?
Or is it the easiest way to fulfill the requirement
of ISO14000? What is their relations?
2. Could anyone provide some format of these forms?
3. Is it necessary to periodically update the register?
Is once a year is a suitable period.
4. I am not sure that The "Control and Monitoring Manual"
is derived from "Environmental Aspect" or "Register
of Legislative Requirements"?
Thanks for any experts' suggestion.
Benny Lam
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Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:46:54 +0100
From: "Goodman, Sally"
Subject: RE: consultancy?
Dear Johan & Simon,
The simple answer is that yes, certification bodies can (and do) provide
training, as long as it is not specifically directed at helping an
organisation to implement an EMS or part of an EMS. To put it another
way, it is OK to provide information, but not to advise on specifics.
Kind regards,
Sally L Goodman
Product Manager AESC, DTP 325 (DNV)
( Direct Line +47 67 57 8213
( Switchboard +47 57 67 99 00
Fax +47 57 67 97 05
* sally.goodman@dnv.com
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Johan Verburg & Simone Goosen [SMTP:sgjv@intnet.mu]
>Sent: Thursday, March 12, 1998 5:03 PM
>To: iso14000@quality.org
>Subject: consultancy?
>
>Hi all
>
>Following the question on combining consultancy and certification services,
>we had interesting quotes from the applicable guides for bodies providing
>certification.
>
>I understand that within these rules a certification body may still provide
>consultancy services to one client and certification services to another.
>This seems to fit the need in the market to learn from people who actually
>perform certification audits, how to implement a system conforming to all
>the ins and outs of the ISO 14001 standard. On the other side, some
>certification bodies find those who have actually worked on implementing
>EMSs the best auditors, with a realistic understanding of "translations" of
>the standard to business reality.
>
>What remains unclear to me is how in practice these guides are interpreted
>with regards to services that are not directly falling in the category of
>consultancy. I am particularly thinking about all sorts of training and
>training programs.
>
>Short: can a registrar provide trainings and certification to the same
>client?
>
>Looking forward to your views and experiences.
>
>Johan Verburg
>Environmental management advisor.
>
>*************************************
>Johan Verburg & Simone Goosen
>Mauritius
>sgjv@intnet.mu
>*************************************
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Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:22:29 -0500
From: HY BRAVERMAN
Subject: Re: [B] Register of Legislation
Have you spoken to your organizations Information Management/Data
Processing
manager? Have you described the type, the amount and the sources and
destination of the ISO/Environmental management data? Is there and
Environmental Management Information Management strategy? An
architecture? If not, you better get those people involved in the
process. Get feedback, get ideas on data collection and distribution
and use. Key data and information management is critical to the success
of an EMS.
Remeber, and Emvironmental Management/Information Management
architecture should be integrated with the organizations existing
information system. Don't get lulled into a seperate parallel system
approach, they are expensive, hard to maintain, and not in the best
interest of your organization, only the company selling their approach.
Hy Braverman
BRAVERMAN STRATEGIES
e-mail: braveman@ziplink.net
Benny Lam wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I am now starting to setup ISO14000.
> I know that I should establish and maintain a procedure to
> deal with the legislative requirement.
>
> Refer to some books, I can see some forms like
>
> "Register of Regulations",
> "Register of environmental effects"
> "Register of Legislative Requirements"
> "Control and Monitoring Manual"
>
> My question is:
>
> 1. Is it necessary to set up this kinds of form?
> Or is it the easiest way to fulfill the requirement
> of ISO14000? What is their relations?
>
> 2. Could anyone provide some format of these forms?
>
> 3. Is it necessary to periodically update the register?
> Is once a year is a suitable period.
>
> 4. I am not sure that The "Control and Monitoring Manual"
> is derived from "Environmental Aspect" or "Register
> of Legislative Requirements"?
>
> Thanks for any experts' suggestion.
>
> Benny Lam
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:48:34 -0700
From: "george d. greenly"
Subject: EPA Position Statement in FED REG
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FYI:
EPA published a position statement on EMS and ISO 14001 and a request
for comments on the nature of the data to be collected from
Environmental Management System/ISO 14001 Pilots. This appeared in the
Federal register on March 12, 1998 (Volume 63, Number 48) and is
available at http://www.gpo.gov/access.
George D. Greenly Jr., CCM, QEP
gsqrd@arn.net
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FYI:
EPA published a position statement on EMS and ISO 14001 and a request
for comments on the nature of the data to be collected from Environmental
Management System/ISO 14001 Pilots. This appeared in the Federal
register on March 12, 1998 (Volume 63, Number 48) and is available at
http://www.gpo.gov/access.
George D. Greenly Jr., CCM, QEP
gsqrd@arn.net
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:26:22 -0700
From: "george d. greenly"
Subject: EPA position on iso 14001
My apologies! The URL should have been
http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html and when you get
there do a search of the 1998 Federal register using iso14001. The
seventh entry returned should be the subject statement.
George D.Greenly Jr., CCm, QEP
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Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:37:30 -0700
From: "george d. greenly"
Subject: EPA iso 14001 position statement
Again: the following is the URL that will take you to the place to
access a GPO search for the subject in the Federal register.
http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/aces/aces140.html
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:41:07 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: re: Bogus "warnings"!
NOTE: There is NO SUCH THING as the "win a holiday virus". It's a HOAX. If
you receive such a warning, throw it away! Do NOT forward it to anyone!
Toss it. Do not pass go, do not collect anything, do not send it to anyone
else.
Authoritative sites to which you should refer, BEFORE passing anything
like that on, are:
- - The US Department of Energy's Computer Incident Advisory Capability
(CIAC) at http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/CIACHoaxes.html
- - Network Associates' (McAfee) Anti-Virus Information Site
at http://www.nai.com/vinfo/
- - TrendMicro's Anti-Virus Website
at http://www.antivirus.com/
And, there are many, many other sites. The point here is that you
shouldn't accept "warnings" just on the face of them. They are intended to
suck you into the hoax--and when you blindly send them on, they do. Don't
be taken in.
Real virus warnings are NOT distributed by the FBI, the FCC or anonymous
people on the Internet. They come from reputable and traceable sources and
will be accompanied by a digital signature certificate, usually issued by
FEDCIRC or DOE/CIAC.
Basically, if in doubt, throw it away!
Regards.
Bill
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:28:06 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [97051799@csu_mail2.napier.ac.uk] (fwd)
NOTE: Respond *both* to the poster's address (see BELOW line reading
"Forwarded Message") and to the list's posting address, NOT to me.
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Domain Owner, QUALITY.ORG Pager: +1 800 604 6149
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Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:52:25 -0500 (EST)
From: 97051799@csu_mail2.napier.ac.uk
To: iso14000@quality.org
Subject: Aspect and Impact
Dear members,
We are MSc students from Napier University, Edinburgh,
investigating the aspects and impacts of our departmental
office to the environment (ISO14000). We would appreciate
your help with the following questions:
What are the aspects and impacts of the modern office?
Which are the most significant to the environment?
Thank you
Anne Porter
Annika Canback
Raymond Hadisubrata
97051799@student.napier.ac.uk
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Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:27:53 -0500 (EST)
From: "Bill Casti, CQA (System Administrator)"
Subject: Non-member submission from [Fran Martin ] (fwd)
NOTE: Respond *both* to the poster's address (see BELOW line reading
"Forwarded Message") and to the list's posting address, NOT to me.
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Domain Owner, QUALITY.ORG Pager: +1 800 604 6149
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Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 15:38:47 -0500 (EST)
To: iso14000-digest@quality.org
From: Fran Martin
Subject: Updated 200,000+ MSDS Database with Archive CD-ROM
FYI,
A U.S. Government database of more than 200,000 Material Safety Data Sheets
(MSDSs) of trade name and generic chemicals, featuring an archive of MSDSs
written prior to 1988, on CD-ROM has been updated.
The 3 CD-ROM set includes the Environmental Reporting Assist File (ERAF) and
Registry of Lists (ROL) databases, and DOS search/retrieve software.
See http://www.env-sol.com/solutions/MSDS.HTML for details.
Fran Martin
FM Research & Consulting
(Please excuse any cross postings)
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:35:07 -0500
From: Lisa Skinner
Subject: international
Dear list members:
I am with the Association for International Practical Training in the
US. I am interested in seeking your advice, as a resource for a project
on brownfields I'm working on.
I have been given the task of finding 10-20 international (meaning from
outside the US) professionals who would be interested in learning more
about the clean-up and re-use of contaminated industrial and commercial
sites at an upcoming workshop in Seattle, Washington (described below).
>From your experience and viewpoint, do any of you have suggestions for
international associations, organizations or companies I might contact
to announce such a workshop?
Do any of you have a newsletter in which we could place an announcement
or ad? Are there any trade journals I should contact?
I would certainly appreciate any advice you could provide. Many thanks
in advance.
Lisa Skinner
lskinner@aipt.org
http://aipt.org/prog_pep.html
http://www.aipt.org
=================================================
The Environment: The Clean-up and
Re-use of Brownfields
Seattle, Washington * May 11 -21, 1998
The Association for International Practical Training's (AIPT)
workshop is designed for international professionals and educators
involved in
examining the identification and clean-up of brownfields--sites that
have been contaminated by industrial use. Local, provincial, or national
government representatives (planning, urban development, environmental);
private investors; developers; businesses owning--and responsible for
cleaning up--brownfields; or educators would benefit from this program.
Program Highlights
* An orientation on the development of brownfields in the United
States
* Examining successful case studies of clean-up and re-use of
brownfields
* Site visits to brownfields that have been rehabilitated and
those in the process of being rehabilitated
* Presentations by local, state, and federal government
representatives, including the Environmental Protection Agency and the
Port Authority of Seattle, as well as discussions on the role of
non-government organizations (NGO) and the private sector
* Role-playing exercises that allow participants to gain greater
understanding of the issue and to apply new information to situations in
their home country
* Opportunities to develop information/support networks
* Shadowing officials in public, private, and NGO offices
Cost
The per person cost of the program is US$2,380. In addition to the above
program activities, this includes:
* Lodging for 10 nights
* Pick up and drop off at Seattle-Tacoma International Airport
* All program related transportation
* AIPT staff on site to coordinate all arrangements
* Tour of Seattle at beginning of program, and one day trip to
sites in Puget Sound region (optional)
* Welcome dinner on May 11, networking reception, and closing
dinner on May 20
Participants will be responsible for air fare to and from Seattle and
all other meals.
AIPT is a non-profit organization that promotes international
understanding through cross-cultural, on-the-job, practical training
exchanges and short-term learning experiences for professionals and
students worldwide.
Association for International Practical Training * 10400 Little Patuxent
Parkway, Suite 250 * Columbia, MD 21044
Tel: 410-997-2200 * Fax: 410-997-0139 * email: dewert@aipt.org *
http://aipt.org/prog_pep.html
http://www.aipt.org
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