iso14000-digest        Saturday, July 18 1998        Volume 02 : Number 038




----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:33:12 GMT-0300
From: "Macarena Ortega" 
Subject: Sorry.....

Dear Friends:

I have had a lot of problems with my mail server, so it's probable 
that you will receive a lot of mails, forwards and replys in the 
next few days. So please forgive me, network configuration is not my 
cup of tea.

Thank you
Macarena.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 08 Jul 1998 15:43:21 -0400
From: rob 
Subject: Resources for ISO 14000 Implementation

Hello,

I'm currently looking for information on the typical resource requirements
necessary for the implementation of ISO 14000 within an organization. I
realize that this will vary widely from organization to organization, but a
starting point would be extremely helpful for the task that I have at hand.
If any list members have a suggested source for information regarding
man-hours, dollar costs etc. I'd greatly appreciate it.

Many thanks

Robert

Robert Ganzhorn
Director of Marketing and Sales
GreenWare Environmental Systems Inc (http://www.greenware.ca)
Specialists in environmental management information systems
145 King Street East, Suite 200, Toronto, Ontario Canada  M5C 2Y8
tel: (416)363-5450; fax: (416)367-2653; email: rob@greenware.ca

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:51:23 GMT-0300
From: "Macarena Ortega" 
Subject: Re: Certification/ecolabeling -Reply

Date:          Wed, 08 Jul 1998 13:40:52 -0400
From:          "Neil G. Vander Linden" 
To:            mortega@fundch.cl, iso14000@quality.org
Subject:       Certification/ecolabeling -Reply

I can understand the confusion with the difference between certification
and ecolabelling. I guess this terms can only be clear in context. If by
certification you mean having a registrar certify your environmental
management system as being in conformance with ISO14001, then
certification is indeed different from ecolabelling. This type of certification
applies to a management system and not the product. Therfore one
cannot lable the product as being certified. It is possible, however, to
included a statement to the effect that the product was manufactured
under an ISO14001 certified evironmental management system. A similar
situation exists with regard to quality management systems and ISO9001.

When one talks about an ecolable it generally applies to the product and
obviously one would expect to find some sort of identification mark on
the product.  Most ecolabelling systems have a set of criteria which must
be met before a product is allowed to bear their symbol. You may hear
terminology which might address certification of the product to use the
label.  Examples of these would be Green Seal, White Swan and UL
Listed.

I don't know if the above has answered your question or only confused
you more.

Neil Vander Linden
ngv@westvaco.com

Neil, thank you for your reply. I agree with you, but my problem is 
with the meaning of certification. You can certifie that a product 
has been made without using pesticides or is made with x% of recicled 
paper. In these cases, the term used is certification or 
ecolabelling?
Macarena

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 16:04:25 GMT-0300
From: "Macarena Ortega" 
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Acreditation

From:          Dmhunterjr@aol.com
Date:          Wed, 8 Jul 1998 14:20:20 EDT
To:            mortega@fundch.cl, iso14000@quality.org
Subject:       Re: (Fwd) Acreditation

If I understand the question correctly, you are seeking information on who is
qualified to do an audit.  The Guidelines for environmental auiditing-general
principles, ISO 14010 answers that question at paragraph 4.2 which states in
applicable part--"In order to ensure the objectivity of the audit process and
its findings and any conclusions, the members of the audit team should be
independent of the activities they audit.  They should be objective, and free
from bias and [sic] conflict of interest throughout the process.
The use of external or internal audit team members is at the discretion of the
client.  An audit-team member chosen from within the organization should not
be accountable to those directly responsible for the subject matter being
audited."
Dennis M. Hunter, Jr., The Derado Group.
Dennis, do you think that is correct then that a subsidiary (sorry if 
the word is bad written) of a transnational company can implement ISO 
14000 and then the transnational certified the standard? What happen 
then with ethics?
Macarena

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 22:35:59 +0200
From: "Pepper, John" 
Subject: RE: Acreditation

Dear Macarena

I assume you are talking about accredited certification. This 
situation would be highly unusual. The only type of example I can 
think of would be if a large holding company had within its group of 
companies one (or more) accredited certification body. In such a case, 
the "structure of the certification body should be such as to prevent 
its owners or the controlling body influencing certification" (EAC/G5 
European Accreditation of Certification - Guidelines for the 
Accreditation of Certification Bodies for EMS refers). It is therefore 
possible that an accredited certification body could issue an ISO 
14001 certificate for another business unit or function (for example a 
consultancy) within the same organisation. However, I would not 
particularly recommend this route, because of potential public 
concerns on impartiality.

PS Please can you take a little more care with your postings - I 
received this message several times!

John Pepper
Lead EMS Auditor

Det Norske Veritas Quality Assurance Ltd
Palace House
3 Cathedral Street
London SE1 9DE
United Kingdom

Tel + 44 (0) 171 357 6080 (Main Switchboard)
(E-mail) john.pepper@dnv.com





- -----Original Message-----
From:	Macarena Ortega [SMTP:mortega@fundch.cl]
Sent:	Wednesday, July 08, 1998 12:16 PM
To:	iso14000@quality.org
Subject:	Acreditation

Dear Friends:

Can a national company implement ISO 14.001 and then the same
company, but in other place not in the same country, certifies
this standard?

Thank you in advance,
Macarena


**************************************************
Macarena Ortega
e-mail: mortega@fundch.cl
*************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 15:58:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti (System Admin)" 
Subject: re: Paid Advertising

Notice:

Online Quality Resources at QUALITY.ORG now has a separate section, linked
from the homepage, for QA/QC-related paid classified advertising for
products, services and businesses-for-sale. You can reach the area through

	http://www.quality.org/classads 

We will continue to support FREE links to Quality-related businesses and
service, just as we have all along. 

BUT, if you want to advertise your Quality-related services and products
or sell your Quality-related business, we now have a low-cost ($25/month) 
place for you to do it. We have decided to offer this service, so you
don't have to annoy everyone on your email discussion list by posting your
ads there (which we frown on and which *could* get you barred from the
QUALITY.ORG system). Of course, right now, I'm guilty of doing that, too
(which I'm certain way too many of you will email me about), but since
I've been giving you everything for free for years, I grant myself a
waiver now and then. :) 

If you're interested in advertising online at Online Quality Resources,
contact me. If you're just interested in flaming me, save your energy and
time; flames get immediately redirected to /dev/null. 

Regards.
Bill

=============================================================================
 Bill Casti, CQA                                     Email: help@quality.org
 Domain Owner, QUALITY.ORG                           Pager: +1 800 604 6149
 President, Associated Quality Consultants, Inc.       Fax: +1 703 834 8209
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
        Visit our Online Quality Resources Website and Bookstore at
                          http://www.quality.org
=============================================================================

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 8 Jul 1998 17:14:05 EDT
From: Dmhunterjr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Acreditation

My understanding of the situation is a little different than what you have
posed, my understanding is that the certification was received based on a
second party audit from the parent on a subsidiary neither of which are
accreditation authorities nor registrars.  Be that as it may, first, I doubt
that Chile recognizes the European accreditation body you mention.  Second,
even if they did have their own accrediation body and registrars there is
nothing to prevent an organization from self-declaring compliance with ISO
14000.  It simply lacks the credibility of a certification received from an
accredited registrar.
Dennis Hunter.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 09:47:03 -0400
From: "Steve Ruddell" 
Subject: Re: Certification/ecolabeling

Macarena,

Are you asking the difference between ecolabeling as is currently being
developed through ISO 14000, and certification of resource sustainability
(a resource label as opposed to an ecolabel) that is provided by a label
through an organization such as the Forest Stewardship Council?

Or are you asking about the term certification as it refers to being
registered to ISO 14001?

The guideline standards for ecolabels (type I, II, and III) are being
worked on.  These are ISO 14020 - ISO 14025. 

Also, there are about 25 private and government ecolabeling programs in
developed countries that are separate from a predate the ISO guidelines.

This stuff can be confusing.

Steve Ruddell
Michigan State University
Department of Forestry
126 Natural Resources Building
East Lansing, MI  48824
(616) 866-0073  (home)
(517) 355-0091  (office)
(517) 432-1143  (FAX)


- ----------
> From: Macarena Ortega 
> To: iso14000@quality.org
> Subject: Certification/ecolabeling
> Date: Wednesday, July 08, 1998 7:15 AM
> 
> Dear friends,
> 
> In our working group we discussed about the difference between the 
> meaning of certification and ecolabelling. I think that 
> certification is when a third party certifies something related with 
> a process or a product and it not has necessarily a "visual" lettering 
> adjunct and a ecolabel necessarily goes with a lettering. What do 
> you think? 
> 
>  Macarena
> 
> ********************************
> Macarena Ortega
> Fundacion Chile
> Marine Resources Department
> phone: +56 2 2400503
> fax: +56 2 2419389
> e-mail: mortega@fundch.cl
> ********************************

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 9 Jul 1998 16:15:16 -0400
From: "Robert Clifford, Jr." 
Subject: re: Resources for ISO 14000 Implementation

In a recent article by Joe Cascio and Greg Hale, they provided the
estimates which seem to ring true in my experience -- notes in parentheses
are my own.  Cost for implementation: $20,000  for 20 or fewer employees to
$250,000 for more than 500 employees - 50 to 90% of these costs being
internal (you could also make a rule-of-thumb and express these costs as
$500-1,000 per employee).  Time for implementation: one workday per
employee (this is probably more accurate for mid-sized or larger
organizations).

Cascio and Hale point out that these benchmarks are based on limited data. 
And the problem in gathering this data may continue to be the fact that
many organizations, unless they contract to the military or the government,
don't effectively track time / project or task.  In addition, they may not
be able to evaluate a return on their investment in ISO 14001 because they
don't effectively accrue environmental costs as separate from general
business overhead.

Robert Clifford, Jr., Vice President
ISO Environmental Consultancy, Inc.
1103 Glenwood Blvd.
Schenectady  NY  12308-2503
518-393-3392
clifford@quality.org

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 10 Jul 1998 11:55:57 GMT-0300
From: "Macarena Ortega" 
Subject: Re: Certification/ecolabeling

> Date:          Fri, 10 Jul 1998 12:25:39 -0100
> From:          Galli Miklos 
> Subject:       Re: Certification/ecolabeling
> To:            Macarena Ortega , iso14000@quality.org
> Priority:      normal

> Could you please avoid sending the same mail 2-3 times to the list?!
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Galli Miklos
> 
Mr. Miklos, I'm terribly sorry for that. My network configuration was 
wrong and suddenly all my messages were sent more than 3 times.
This will not happen again.
Thank you



**************************************************
Macarena Ortega
e-mail: mortega@fundch.cl
*************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 12 Jul 1998 23:28:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti (System Admin)" 
Subject: How to join or leave QUALITY.ORG lists

Please SAVE THIS MESSAGE for your future reference!


Here's the self-service instructions on how to handle your
subscription(s) for QUALITY.ORG lists....

- ------

We use an automated list management software tool called "Majordomo" here,
so all subscribe/unsubscribe messages must be directed to that tool's
address. Please follow the instructions below. Please SAVE THIS FILE for
future reference, too.

The file of all the lists supported at QUALITY.ORG is available at:

        http://www.quality.org/lists/lists_at_quality.org.html


You can use our Web-based MajorCool tool to subscribe/unsubscribe for any
of the lists supported at QUALITY.ORG. It is located at:

        http://www.quality.org/cgi-bin/majordomo


OR, you can use email by following the directions below:

To Subscribe or Unsubscribe
- ---------------------------

The ONLY address to send your subscription or unsubscription requests to is:

	majordomo@quality.org

(Do NOT send them to the List's posting address!)


The only correct subscribe syntax is:

	subscribe LISTNAME 

Example: subscribe mil-qual-d


"Majordomo" will respond with instructions and an authentication code
which you must return TO: MAJORDOMO@QUALITY.ORG within 48 hours, in order
for your subscription request to be fulfilled. If you do not return the
authentication, your request will be deleted after 48 hours. We employ
this authentication method as a security tool, to assure that those
requesting subscriptions are, in fact, the intended recipients of those
subscriptions.

Once your subscription has been completed, Majordomo will send you an
information file about the list you've joined. It will also instruct you
on how to leave the list, so you should SAVE IT for future reference.

- -----

The only correct unsubscribe syntax is:

	unsubscribe LISTNAME

Example: unsubscribe mil-qual-d

* Do NOT include your first and last names or email address when 
unsubscribing.

* The unsubscribe request must be sent from the same address that
is on the list.  In other words, if you are on the list as
"abc@def.ghi.jkl", your unsubscribe request must come from there. If
that's no longer possible, then your unsubscribe message must instead
read:

	unsubscribe LISTNAME YOUR-OLD@ADDRESS

Example: unsubscribe mil-qual-d jblow@beserk.net

* To change the address to which your list messages are being sent, you
need to UNsubscribe from the list at your OLD address, then rejoin the
list at your NEW address, as: 

	unsubscribe LISTNAME YOUR-OLD@ADDRESS
	subscriber LISTNAME YOUR-NEW@ADDRESS

Note that BOTH lines are required to remove your old address and add your
new address.


Finally, if you have questions or comments, send them to ME, not to the
list or to Majordomo. The other list members would only get annoyed and
Majordomo can only respond to specific command syntax, so you'd end up
getting annoyed.

=============================================================================
 Bill Casti, CQA                                     Email: help@quality.org
 - Domain Owner, QUALITY.ORG                         Pager: +1 800 604 6149
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
           QUALITY RESOURCES ONLINE at: http://www.quality.org
=============================================================================

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 08:53:10 -0400
From: "Connie G. Ritzert" 
Subject: FW: Regulated Avalanche

Dear ISO 14000 list members:  I received the following message today 
indicating a previous message of mine had been received in multiples.  If 
this has also happened to other members of the list, I am very sorry.  It 
was certainly not intentional, and I have no knowledge of why this would 
have happened. If this occurs in the future, I would appreciate someone 
advising me so that I might investigate the problem with my internet 
service provider.

Connie Glover Ritzert   critzert@fyi.net
Meredith-EMC

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Gabor Doka [SMTP:doka@logon.ch]
Sent:	Thursday, July 09, 1998 3:42 PM
To:	Connie G. Ritzert; telesoft@logon.ch
Subject:	Regulated Avalanche

Since last Saturday I repeatedly recieved DOZENDS of the e-mail below (from 
the ISO14000 mail list).
* PLEASE check your equipment/software to stop this and prevent
* further incidences.

Thanks a lot
Gabor

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 10:45:44 EDT
From: Dmhunterjr@aol.com
Subject: Worth a visit

I received information about Intel's EHS site from another list.  After
touring it, I think it will be of interest to folks intersted in ISO 14000 and
EMS's.  So I forward it to you fyi.

www.intel.com/intel/other/ehs/index.html

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 15:24:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Bill Casti (System Admin)" 
Subject: re: posting to ISO14000 list

You have to be a subscriber to the list, in order to post a message to it.

The subscribe instructions follow.


Here's the self-service instructions on how to handle your
subscription(s) for QUALITY.ORG lists....

- ------

We use an automated list management software tool called "Majordomo" here,
so all subscribe/unsubscribe messages must be directed to that tool's
address. Please follow the instructions below. Please SAVE THIS FILE for
future reference, too.

The file of all the lists supported at QUALITY.ORG is available at:

        http://www.quality.org/lists/lists_at_quality.org.html


You can use our Web-based MajorCool tool to subscribe/unsubscribe for any
of the lists supported at QUALITY.ORG. It is located at:

        http://www.quality.org/cgi-bin/majordomo


OR, you can use email by following the directions below:

To Subscribe or Unsubscribe
- ---------------------------

The ONLY address to send your subscription or unsubscription requests to is:

	majordomo@quality.org

(Do NOT send them to the List's posting address!)


The only correct subscribe syntax is:

	subscribe LISTNAME 

Example: subscribe iso14000


"Majordomo" will respond with instructions and an authentication code
which you must return TO: MAJORDOMO@QUALITY.ORG within 48 hours, in order
for your subscription request to be fulfilled. If you do not return the
authentication, your request will be deleted after 48 hours. We employ
this authentication method as a security tool, to assure that those
requesting subscriptions are, in fact, the intended recipients of those
subscriptions.

Once your subscription has been completed, Majordomo will send you an
information file about the list you've joined. It will also instruct you
on how to leave the list, so you should SAVE IT for future reference.

- -----

The only correct unsubscribe syntax is:

	unsubscribe LISTNAME

Example: unsubscribe iso14000

* Do NOT include your first and last names or email address when 
unsubscribing.

* The unsubscribe request must be sent from the same address that
is on the list.  In other words, if you are on the list as
"abc@def.ghi.jkl", your unsubscribe request must come from there. If
that's no longer possible, then your unsubscribe message must instead
read:

	unsubscribe LISTNAME YOUR-OLD@ADDRESS

Example: unsubscribe iso14000 jblow@beserk.net

* To change the address to which your list messages are being sent, you
need to UNsubscribe from the list at your OLD address, then rejoin the
list at your NEW address, as: 

	unsubscribe LISTNAME YOUR-OLD@ADDRESS
	subscriber LISTNAME YOUR-NEW@ADDRESS

Note that BOTH lines are required to remove your old address and add your
new address.


Finally, if you have questions or comments, send them to ME, not to the
list or to Majordomo. The other list members would only get annoyed and
Majordomo can only respond to specific command syntax, so you'd end up
getting annoyed.

=============================================================================
 Bill Casti, CQA                                     Email: help@quality.org
 - Domain Owner, QUALITY.ORG                         Pager: +1 800 604 6149
 - List Moderator, "TQM in Manufacturing and Service Industries"
 - Chairman, Electronic Media
    ASQ Section 0511 (Northern VA)     Section Email: E-media@asq0511.org
 - Internet Security Manager, FEMA (Washington DC)      
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
           QUALITY RESOURCES ONLINE at: http://www.quality.org
=============================================================================


- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:41:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: owner-iso14000@quality.org
To: owner-iso14000@quality.org
Subject: BOUNCE iso14000@quality.org:    Non-member submission from ["Ross Campbell" ]   

>From iso14000-owner  Mon Jul 13 03:41:17 1998
Received: from goliath.iscorltd.co.za (NewsRoom.IscorLTD.co.za [139.53.1.195])
	by cyberq.quality.org (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id DAA05840
	for ; Mon, 13 Jul 1998 03:41:10 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from roosc.hq.iscorltd.co.za ([139.53.37.206])
          by goliath.iscorltd.co.za (Netscape Messaging Server 3.5)
           with ESMTP id 136 for ;
          Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:42:18 +0200
From: "Ross Campbell" 
To: "iso14000 group" 
Subject: EM for bulk materials handling 
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 1998 09:41:21 +0200
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Priority: 3
X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Message-ID: <19980713074218375.AAA295.136@roosc.hq.iscorltd.co.za>

Hi

I'd appreciate it if anyone in this group could help me out with some
ideas, and perhaps case studies from your own experience.

What are the most significant environmental impacts likely to be associated
with bulk materials handling (handling, transport and storage of large
quantities of unpackaged solid materials) ?

The following spring to mind: compromised air quality and associated health
impacts(related to dust), surface water pollution (related to improper
stormwater management), groundwater contamination (depending on chemistry
of materials), soil contamination (same as last).

Can anyone think of more impacts and/or environmental problem areas, as
well as examples from your own experience?

Thanks

Ross Campbell
Environmental Co-ordinator, Iscor Steel, South Africa

rossc@hq.iscorltd.co.za
+27 12 307 7273
fax +27 12 307 7273
Reqired Legal Disclaimer:
The views expressed above are not necessarily those of Iscor Ltd.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 14 Jul 1998 09:38:06 +0200
From: "Ross Campbell" 
Subject: EM for bulk materials handling 

 
> Hi
> 
> I'd appreciate it if anyone in this group could help me out with some
> ideas, and perhaps case studies from your own experience.
> 
> What are the most significant environmental impacts likely to be
associated
> with bulk materials handling (handling, transport and storage of large
> quantities of unpackaged solid materials) ?
> 
> The following spring to mind: compromised air quality and associated
health
> impacts(related to dust), surface water pollution (related to improper
> stormwater management), groundwater contamination (depending on chemistry
> of materials), soil contamination (same as last).
> 
> Can anyone think of more impacts and/or environmental problem areas, as
> well as examples from your own experience?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Ross Campbell
> Environmental Co-ordinator, Iscor Steel, South Africa
> 
> rossc@hq.iscorltd.co.za
> +27 12 307 7273
> fax +27 12 307 7273
> Reqired Legal Disclaimer:
> The views expressed above are not necessarily those of Iscor Ltd.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 09:12:41 GMT-0300
From: "Macarena Ortega" 
Subject: Re: "Homework"

Alexander,

I am very sorry for my behaviour with you. Yes you're right in 
teeling my that your questions were very interesting. I was so angry 
because a lot of people are using the discussions lists to 
fight each other, send augly comments and I think that the e-mail 
lists can't be used to post obsenes messages. That's why I had that 
response about your mail. Please forgive me for not have sent to you 
before my apologizes.
Thank you very much (we are in winter now in Chile)

Macarena.


**************************************************
Macarena Ortega
e-mail: mortega@fundch.cl
*************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:25:06 -0200 (BDT)
From: Fabio Enrique Torezan 
Subject: ISO 14000 in mining

Dear subscribers,

I'm a brazilian master student in Ecology, conducting research   with 
Environmental Management in Mining. I'm wondering if 
there is some kind of certification or "green label" specificaly for 
mining sites. I also wold like to get further information about how many 
(and who are them) mining companies around the world that had already been 
certificated with the ISO 14001 standard.
Any kind of information would be very usefull for me.

Regards,

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Mr. Fabio Enrique Torezan
Federal University of Sao Carlos
rua Miguel Joao, 296
Sao Carlos - SP
13562-180
Brazil

e-mail:		pfet@iris.ufscar.br
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:13:16 GMT-0300
From: "Macarena Ortega" 
Subject: Re: ISO 14000 in mining

> Date:          Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:25:06 -0200 (BDT)
> From:          Fabio Enrique Torezan 
> To:            ISO14000 List 
> Subject:       ISO 14000 in mining

> Dear subscribers,
> 
> I'm a brazilian master student in Ecology, conducting research   with 
> Environmental Management in Mining. I'm wondering if 
> there is some kind of certification or "green label" specificaly for 
> mining sites. I also wold like to get further information about how many 
> (and who are them) mining companies around the world that had already been 
> certificated with the ISO 14001 standard.
> Any kind of information would be very usefull for me.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Mr. Fabio Enrique Torezan
> Federal University of Sao Carlos
> rua Miguel Joao, 296
> Sao Carlos - SP
> 13562-180
> Brazil
> 
> e-mail:		pfet@iris.ufscar.br
> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> 
Fabio, 

Here in Chile we have the 2 major mining companies (governmental 
companies) with EMS in process of implementation (in order to 
certificate the ISO 14001 standard). They are CODELCO (National 
Corporation for Copper) and ENAMI (National Mining Company)
They both pretend will be certify ISO 14001 in the year 2000.

There exists also a lot of chilean mining companies who already are 
implementing EMS neither, but we haven't yet an ISO 14001 certified 
company. We are working on it.

I hope this can help you.

Macarena Ortega

**************************************************
Macarena Ortega
e-mail: mortega@fundch.cl
*************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:33:38 GMT-0300
From: "Macarena Ortega" 
Subject: (Fwd) Re: ISO in mining

- ------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
Date:          Wed, 15 Jul 1998 16:13:40 -0400
From:          Joseph.Kelada@hec.ca (Joseph.Kelada)
Organization:  HEC
To:            mortega@fundch.cl
Subject:       Re: ISO in mining

Are there mining companies hat have implemented ISO 9000, and/or TQM.
I'm interested since I teach TQM.

Thank you

Joseph N. Kelada
============================================

Macarena Ortega wrote:
> 
> > Date:          Wed, 15 Jul 1998 15:25:06 -0200 (BDT)
> > From:          Fabio Enrique Torezan 
> > To:            ISO14000 List 
> > Subject:       ISO 14000 in mining
> 
> > Dear subscribers,
> >
> > I'm a brazilian master student in Ecology, conducting research   with
> > Environmental Management in Mining. I'm wondering if
> > there is some kind of certification or "green label" specificaly for
> > mining sites. I also wold like to get further information about how many
> > (and who are them) mining companies around the world that had already been
> > certificated with the ISO 14001 standard.
> > Any kind of information would be very usefull for me.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Mr. Fabio Enrique Torezan
> > Federal University of Sao Carlos
> > rua Miguel Joao, 296
> > Sao Carlos - SP
> > 13562-180
> > Brazil
> >
> > e-mail:               pfet@iris.ufscar.br
> > xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> Fabio,
> 
> Here in Chile we have the 2 major mining companies (governmental
> companies) with EMS in process of implementation (in order to
> certificate the ISO 14001 standard). They are CODELCO (National
> Corporation for Copper) and ENAMI (National Mining Company)
> They both pretend will be certify ISO 14001 in the year 2000.
> 
> There exists also a lot of chilean mining companies who already are
> implementing EMS neither, but we haven't yet an ISO 14001 certified
> company. We are working on it.
> 
> I hope this can help you.
> 
> Macarena Ortega
> 
> **************************************************
> Macarena Ortega
> e-mail: mortega@fundch.cl
> *************************************************

**************************************************
Macarena Ortega
e-mail: mortega@fundch.cl
*************************************************

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 16:39:45 +1000
From: Kay Meadows 
Subject: Questions for University

Macarena

I'm afraid I agree with Alexander's comments regarding your question/s.  It
is not appropriate to clog up people's emails with lots of questions in
order to answer  your university assignments.  If this is the method the
University of Dundee suggests it students use to undertake research, I
would appreciate  you passing on my concern about this.

Kay

Kay Meadows
Australia
Email:  kmeadows@iaccess.com.au

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:39:43 +0100
From: "Aleksander Mortensen" 
Subject: About "homework"

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

- ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01BDB1A9.E1ADE020
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Subscribers,

I am sorry to clog up your mailboxes, but I would like to clarify a few =
points.

It has been brought to my attention that some subscribers to this list =
are unhappy with my recent posting where I asked for comments to the =
Institute of Environmental Management Associate Membership exams in =
June.

I posted a selection of questions which appeared relevant to this list =
and I recieved some very interesting and helpful comments. It is my =
understanding that this list exists in order to exchange knowledge about =
environmental management related issues.

I was in fact not doing my "homework", but rather researching on behalf =
of an entire class of graduates who were undertaking the same =
professional exam. We were encouraged to seek advice from practitioners =
in fields relevant to each question, a practice that is not unusual in =
open-book exams.

If I had been asking for help with my assignments and had used the =
comments I recieved from the subscribers to this list as my own, this =
would have constituted plagiarism, something I, in no uncertain terms =
condone. In fact, the University of Dundee operate an extremely strict =
policy regarding academic honesty, however they have no problem with =
networking in this context.

If this kind of activity constitutes a problem, I personally doubt the =
efficacy of such a discussion forum.

Furthermore, Mr. A.A.Jackson (A.A.Jackson @dundee.ac.uk), the Course =
Director for the Bachelor of Science (Hons) Environmental Management =
Course at the University of Dundee will, I am sure, gladly support my =
views on this issue.=20

Cheers,

Aleksander Mortensen.


------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 15:46:59 -0400
From: "Robert A. Bruce" <113243.3037@compuserve.com>
Subject: ISO 14000 and Forest Stewardship Council

- ---------- Forwarded Message ----------

From:   Robert A. Bruce, 113243,3037
TO:     UK Forestry, INTERNET:ukforestry@visfor.globalnet.co.uk
DATE:   05/07/98 23:11

RE:     Copy of: FSC v's ISO 14000

I am currently researching on the following topics.

Part one will focus on the comparative strengths and weaknesses,and/or
benefits and problems of  "signing on" to the ISO 14000 certification
scheme as opposed to the  FSC accreditation scheme. (Or vice versa)

The second part of my dissertation is to quantify the resource requirements
and costs associated with implementing either of  the two schemes in a
small to medium sized company operating in the forestry or timber industry.

I would be most grateful to receive any suggestions or input on these two
areas, either personal comments, web sites to visit, people to approach or
publications and papers to consult.

I can be contacted at Edinburgh University by e-mail 

 or my personal e-mail
 <113243.3037@compuserve.com>

Apologies in advance for any cross postings which may occur.

Many thanks

Robert A. Bruce

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 17 Jul 1998 17:15:06 -0400
From: "Malkin, Melissa" 
Subject: EMS benchmarks used by EPA Office of Compliance?

> I recently ran across an "Inside EPA" article from May 1997 that mentioned
> that EPA's Office of Enforcement & Compliance Assistance did a set of EMS
> benchmarks. Does anyone know the status of those benchmarks -- is OECA or
> any other EPA office currently using them? 
> 
> Thanks!
> Melissa Malkin
> 
> 
> Melissa Malkin
> Research Triangle Institute, Pollution Prevention Program 
> POB 12194 
> Research Triangle Park, NC 27709-2194
> voice: (919) 541-6154     fax (919) 541 7155
> www.rti.org
> 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 18 Jul 1998 07:58:07 -0400
From: HY BRAVERMAN 
Subject: Re: ISO 14000 and Forest Stewardship Council

Robert:

The part of your dissertation where you must quantify the resource
requirements and costs of implementing any EMS scheme, you need to
identify the information requirements. You need to certify that the data
is accurate, timely and relevant to its goals and targets.  Once you
have some form of an information architecture, you'll be able to capture
data and use it to make the decisions that will benefit the
organization.  Deopending upon the size of the organization, there are
tools you could use.  For the small firm
a simple spread sheet and word processor should suffice.  However, some
behemoth companies will need significant IT resources.

hy braverman

Robert A. Bruce wrote:
> 
> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> 
> From:   Robert A. Bruce, 113243,3037
> TO:     UK Forestry, INTERNET:ukforestry@visfor.globalnet.co.uk
> DATE:   05/07/98 23:11
> 
> RE:     Copy of: FSC v's ISO 14000
> 
> I am currently researching on the following topics.
> 
> Part one will focus on the comparative strengths and weaknesses,and/or
> benefits and problems of  "signing on" to the ISO 14000 certification
> scheme as opposed to the  FSC accreditation scheme. (Or vice versa)
> 
> The second part of my dissertation is to quantify the resource requirements
> and costs associated with implementing either of  the two schemes in a
> small to medium sized company operating in the forestry or timber industry.
> 
> I would be most grateful to receive any suggestions or input on these two
> areas, either personal comments, web sites to visit, people to approach or
> publications and papers to consult.
> 
> I can be contacted at Edinburgh University by e-mail
> 
>  or my personal e-mail
>  <113243.3037@compuserve.com>
> 
> Apologies in advance for any cross postings which may occur.
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> Robert A. Bruce

------------------------------

End of iso14000-digest V2 #38
*****************************